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Originally posted by inconspicuous actually, there are health benefits to it.

Until sexual activity starts, this is only true in cultures where people bathe very little or where parents don't clean their infant's / toddler's genitals.

If somebody wants the slightly lower risk of STDs that circumcision offers later on, he could always choose it then.

Actually nowadays alot of reseach is finding that having it cut causes even more illness. Kinda makes sense, that skin is there in the first place for a good reason.

It would be wrong in our society, it depends what sort of cultural upbringing they have.

Im always ammused how everyone accepts that they are correct in the way they live thier life, and other cultures and religions are commiting these injustices. For example the Amish (sp?) dont drive cars, we do, whos to say that we are right and they arent, until you can prove thier religion is false you dont have a argument, and niether do they.

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Originally posted by Import Im always ammused how everyone accepts that they are correct in the way they live thier life, and other cultures and religions are commiting these injustices. For example the Amish (sp?) dont drive cars, we do, whos to say that we are right and they arent, until you can prove thier religion is false you dont have a argument, and niether do they.

you can't compare a decision not to utilize modern conveniences to poking a needle through an infant's skin repeatedly, leaving him with a mark or design on his body permanently.

and it doesn't matter what cultural upbringing you have. Believe it or not, some cultures involve practices that are just flat-out wrong. You do not have to tolerate everything in every culture. Yes, I know, this brings up the question of, "well, where do you draw the line?" Make up your own mind, and do so logically. If someone dresses differently, fine. If someone abuses another person, not fine. It's the whole overly-PC state of a lot of the world that's wound up having people convinced that if someone else says it's ok, it has to be, and you can't question it. That's nonsense.

circumcision can be done with numbing agents. from what i know of they do apply these to them but i am not sure of this.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous you can't compare a decision not to utilize modern conveniences to poking a needle through an infant's skin repeatedly, leaving him with a mark or design on his body permanently.

Ok but what about the choice to have natural births outside a hospital, a practice which can endager the childs life.

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and it doesn't matter what cultural upbringing you have. Believe it or not, some cultures involve practices that are just flat-out wrong. You do not have to tolerate everything in every culture. Yes, I know, this brings up the question of, "well, where do you draw the line?" Make up your own mind, and do so logically. If someone dresses differently, fine. If someone abuses another person, not fine. It's the whole overly-PC state of a lot of the world that's wound up having people convinced that if someone else says it's ok, it has to be, and you can't question it. That's nonsense.

Im glad you recognize the problem at hand, it comes down to drawing the line. And that does depend on the society, yes i think a infant is to young for a tattoo. However without the full situation, instead of a small paragraph on a internet forum, its pretty difficult to analyze the situation. For another example there are the african tribes which use clay disks to stretch thier ears and mouths. Im sure youve seen this as american media loves to showcase it on occasion. Now this is a far more drastic and permenant change, but if they never leave thier village they will never regret it. However if they dont they most likely will never marry, as it is a important part of beauty there, and it will not detract from thier state of life. But if they move (i know its a out there example) into the middle of the US then yes, they have now been permentatly affected (negatively i assume) by thier upbringing. So does this mean its wrong...?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous and it doesn't matter what cultural upbringing you have. Believe it or not, some cultures involve practices that are just flat-out wrong. You do not have to tolerate everything in every culture. Yes, I know, this brings up the question of, "well, where do you draw the line?" Make up your own mind, and do so logically. If someone dresses differently, fine. If someone abuses another person, not fine. It's the whole overly-PC state of a lot of the world that's wound up having people convinced that if someone else says it's ok, it has to be, and you can't question it. That's nonsense.

Indeed. While it's not right to assume our culture is right and all others are wrong, neither it is to assume something is ok only because some culture says it's ok. I like to keep an open mind and find my own moral values - without imposing them on others, neither letting them impose theirs on myself.

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Originally posted by Import Im glad you recognize the problem at hand, it comes down to drawing the line. And that does depend on the society, yes i think a infant is to young for a tattoo. However without the full situation, instead of a small paragraph on a internet forum, its pretty difficult to analyze the situation. For another example there are the african tribes which use clay disks to stretch thier ears and mouths. Im sure youve seen this as american media loves to showcase it on occasion. Now this is a far more drastic and permenant change, but if they never leave thier village they will never regret it. However if they dont they most likely will never marry, as it is a important part of beauty there, and it will not detract from thier state of life. But if they move (i know its a out there example) into the middle of the US then yes, they have now been permentatly affected (negatively i assume) by thier upbringing. So does this mean its wrong...?

it's pointless to address something like that with somewhat reasonable points on both sides when there are far worse practices to which people take no offense. Start with the murder and rape that are tolerated and we'll work our way on down.

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Originally posted by noikeee Indeed. While it's not right to assume our culture is right and all others are wrong, neither it is to assume something is ok only because some culture says it's ok. I like to keep an open mind and find my own moral values - without imposing them on others, neither letting them impose theirs on myself.

Even a statement like that, though, is what I'm talking about. The idea of "not imposing [moral values] on others" lends itself to excuses for tolerance of acts which do not deserve anything of the sort.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous it's pointless to address something like that with somewhat reasonable points on both sides when there are far worse practices to which people take no offense. Start with the murder and rape that are tolerated and we'll work our way on down.

I think the main problem is the issue of choice by the person undergoing the act. If someone is being raped its assumed its against thier will, and as a society we generally dont support pain force on other against thier will. But acts as a infant cause a problem because i dont personally think the infant has the intelectual capacity yet to make a informed decision. Again back to as you accuratly put it, drawing the line, something very difficult with religous and cultural practices.

And i wouldent mind discussing "the murder and rape that are tolerated" but im not certain of what you are refering to, elaborate and i will gladly continue, it makes my workday more intresting to have a intelegent discussion rather then reading about jennypie getting a new haircut

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Even a statement like that, though, is what I'm talking about. The idea of "not imposing [moral values] on other" lends itself to excuses for tolerance of acts which do not deserve anything of the sort.

I get what you're saying - that opens the door for things like "oh I personally think random mass murder is wrong, but if your moral values say it's right then do what you want". That obviously isn't my stance on things. On the other hand, by imposing moral values on others you become your own moral god - whatever YOU say is right and whatever others say is only right if YOU find it right. Now imagine all human beings apply the same line of thought, considering everyone has their own opinions on what is right and wrong. You end up with 5 billion dogmatic moral gods - something does not compute. Unless you think there is no universal definitions of "right and wrong". Everything only becomes right or wrong depending on perspective.

Oh man, this shit is deep.

Re: Is it wrong to give your baby a tattoo?

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Originally posted by Enigmatic XTC I was watching the national geographic channel, and they had some show on all about tattoos and this couple were showing their infant baby who had a tattoo on its arm. I couldn't decide if thats wrong or not.

What kind of tattoo are we talking about here? some huge thing covering 3/4 of the baby or a 2x2cm thingy.

I don't think its wrong at all.. your parents also pick your name, you could hate that.. yet most ppl are fairly happy with there name, wouldn't know whatelse they should be called. It just fits them as they say (and i agree about my name). This tatoo isn't to different imo, something that makes you unique, something you'll cary with you all your life.

But it could be very wrong.. like having a swatstika on the forehead oros lol

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No more wrong than severing their foreskin or raising them to believe that their lives will make sense one day if they put their faith in Jesus.

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I personally wouldn't do it for, well, personal reasons. If the parents feel the need to ink up their baby then by all means do it, be beware for very stick criticism from everyone.

Some would argue that, " well if parents can pierce their kids ears as such a young age, x months old, then I can tattoo my baby.

Although I think those two are very different.

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Originally posted by noikeee I get what you're saying - that opens the door for things like "oh I personally think random mass murder is wrong, but if your moral values say it's right then do what you want". That obviously isn't my stance on things. On the other hand, by imposing moral values on others you become your own moral god - whatever YOU say is right and whatever others say is only right if YOU find it right. Now imagine all human beings apply the same line of thought, considering everyone has their own opinions on what is right and wrong. You end up with 5 billion dogmatic moral gods - something does not compute. Unless you think there is no universal definitions of "right and wrong". Everything only becomes right or wrong depending on perspective. Oh man, this shit is deep.

Well, that's why I said leave the more grey stuff for later, because there are far more glaringly obvious things that should be immoral, regardless of cultural standards, yet are not only continued within certain societies, but tolerated by others under the "it's a cultural difference" stance.

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Originally posted by Import And i wouldent mind discussing "the murder and rape that are tolerated" but im not certain of what you are refering to, elaborate and i will gladly continue, it makes my workday more intresting to have a intelegent discussion rather then reading about jennypie getting a new haircut

Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.

"but it's a cultural difference, so who are we to judge?" isn't cutting it for me on stuff like that.

pics of babies with tattoos or stfu

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married. "but it's a cultural difference, so who are we to judge?" isn't cutting it for me on stuff like that.

Before i give a half assed response could you stare me into a source so i can think it through better

i personally would not give a baby a tattoo...

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Originally posted by Import Before i give a half assed response could you stare me into a source so i can think it through better

I'll give you your choice of sources, since most are either too long & opinionated or too short, since, apparently, this was from November. I only heard about it fairly recently:

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...us&sa=N&start=0

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa pics of babies with tattoos or stfu

First serious response in the thread.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.

Ok sorry for the late reply, my car needed to go to the shop so it took awhile to get back to work.

Yeah really odd case, and pretty hard to put a arguement for. They both knowingly commited a crime as ruled by thier law, but that is somewhat unrelated to them both being raped, which seems like the far more predominant injustice. However the rapists were sentanced for thier crimes, its more a issue of poor punishment. Its not that it was tolerated, but they just choose lighter punishments, like there is a country where i belive you can loose your hand for littering, and here you would get a 100$ fine. They must look at us and think were being to slack on enforcing the law.

Im not agreeing that it was right to punish the victim, but it has to be noted that they did break the law aswell, im curious how a similar issue would be covered by our laws, if i was selling drugs, and someone, err.. raped and mugged me?

I dont really know what else to say to be honest, its such a wierd example, i dont like the idea of the court being able to sentance you for a crime like that. If i walked into the police station and told them id smoked pot a few weeks ago i dont see them taking me to court, i guess the rapists must have brought the issue up?...

You have me completly confused on this one lol

I am quite amazed that this thread never really degenerated into the usual cor crap. I swear, the c0r surprises me at the most random times.

Any permanent modification of the body before the human is mentally capable and mature enough of deciding whether they themself really want it done, is imo, not right.

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Originally posted by Theresa Any permanent modification of the body before the human is mentally capable and mature enough of deciding whether they themself really want it done, is imo, not right.

Including or not including ear piercings?

(some people consider piercings permanent.)

tattoos and piercings are kinda weird on kids. let them turn 16/18 then do it on their own. shouldn't be a parental decision.

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