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Originally posted by smuncky dell was selling the 320gb seagates for $79 2 weeks ago. unfortuently i didnt jump on the wagon. hopefully theyll bring down the price again soon.

Love the 5 year warranty on Seagates.

Have had 3, no problems.

Generally I either go w/ WDs (preferred), or Seagates (bc of the warranty, 5 yrs vs. only usually 1 yr w/ most others)

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Love the 5 year warranty on Seagates. Have had 3, no problems. Generally I either go w/ WDs (preferred), or Seagates (bc of the warranty, 5 yrs vs. only usually 1 yr w/ most others)

yeh definitely a ^5 on the 5 year warranty.

i actually never had a WD. ive had a samsung (lol) and 2 maxtors. the samsung ran for about 4 years and then i sold it off for $40, so hopefully its still running. one maxtor ive had for 3 years i think and the other for 1.5 or 2 with no problems (knock on wood).

as long as u got enough air flow and u keep it cool in ur rig, then the parts will last a while...unless u get some defective part.

1TB external HDD with Google search technology: pure awesome.



LINK

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Originally posted by Chris Allen 1TB external HDD with Google search technology: pure awesome. LINK

looks to much like a product for Apple.

although imagine how much porn would fit on there. WOW

Might as well put in my two cents. Stats on my drives:

• 1 x 18 GB, 1 x 27 GB, 1 x 36 GB Western Digital IDE, taken out of commission because they weren't big enough. Each ran from 3-4 years, never failed or reported errors.
  
• 3 x 160 GB Seagate IDE, running for ~3 years, no failures.
  
• 1 x 200 GB Seagate SATA, ran for ~2 years, started reporting SMART errors, had to send in for RMA.
  
• 1 x 250 GB Seagate SATA, running for ~1 year, no problems.
  
• 1 x 500 GB Seagate SATA, bought to replace failing 200 GB, passed all diagnostics but system refused to boot from it. I think the boot sector is damaged in a way that the diagnostics can't detect.
  
• 1 x 500 GB Western Digital SATA, bought to replace defective Seagate SATA (the Seagate was bought online so there was no time to go through the return process), running for ~2 months with no problems and performs significantly faster with large files/swap files than any of the others.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I know a lot of people have horror stories about Western Digital drives, but so far, all my problems have been with Seagate

I would have to agree with you here. I've had zero problems with the Western Digital drives I've used over the years (3x10GB, 1x20GB, 1x40GB, & 2x250GB) and the problems I've had has been my Seagate drives (1x20GB, 1x40, & 1x80GB). All my Seagates have not seen much past 1 year, and thus far all my WD's are all still in use, except the 10GB I dropped....

I will also echo the love for WD HDD's.

make sure that if you buy an enclosure it has a good fan on it, one of my hard drives quit on me from overheating when summer comes around, my PC likes to run at a cool 42 degrees. the room is probably in the 30s...


as for that one terabyte drive, we sell that at costco, for like 479 i think, maybe less...449 perhaps.

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Originally posted by MikeyN make sure that if you buy an enclosure it has a good fan on it, one of my hard drives quit on me from overheating when summer comes around, my PC likes to run at a cool 42 degrees. the room is probably in the 30s... as for that one terabyte drive, we sell that at costco, for like 479 i think, maybe less...449 perhaps.

you might as well tell them to come to you directly when buying them

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Originally posted by DigiNut Might as well put in my two cents. Stats on my drives: 1 x 18 GB, 1 x 27 GB, 1 x 36 GB Western Digital IDE, taken out of commission because they weren't big enough. Each ran from 3-4 years, never failed or reported errors. 3 x 160 GB Seagate IDE, running for ~3 years, no failures. 1 x 200 GB Seagate SATA, ran for ~2 years, started reporting SMART errors, had to send in for RMA. 1 x 250 GB Seagate SATA, running for ~1 year, no problems. 1 x 500 GB Seagate SATA, bought to replace failing 200 GB, passed all diagnostics but system refused to boot from it. I think the boot sector is damaged in a way that the diagnostics can't detect. 1 x 500 GB Western Digital SATA, bought to replace defective Seagate SATA (the Seagate was bought online so there was no time to go through the return process), running for ~2 months with no problems and performs significantly faster with large files/swap files than any of the others. So it's a bit of a crap shoot with hard drives these days. I know a lot of people have horror stories about Western Digital drives, but so far, all my problems have been with Seagate, which I used to think was the best. Somebody actually did benchmarks on the new 500 GB drives as well, and showed in several tests that the WDs really do perform better in most cases. Also, Seagate offers a good warranty but I now know firsthand that their service department can be a bitch to reach - their operating hours are best described as "whenever you're not home". I managed to squeeze my RMA through their tech support department with a little bit of persuasive effort, but some people might not be so lucky.

Thanks for the extensive info Aaron. Appreciated input.

This thread needs more IBM 75GXP Deathstar, errrm, Deskstar lovin'. I had 2 of the DTLA3030s in a RAID-0 config many moons ago, and one of them crashed the head through the platters. It was neat to look at.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 This thread needs more IBM 75GXP Deathstar, errrm, Deskstar lovin'. I had 2 of the DTLA3030s in a RAID-0 config many moons ago, and one of them crashed the head through the platters. It was neat to look at.

wicked ! pics?

i wouldnt suggest buying really big HD due to sector issues, you could lose a lot of data

the enclosures are the way to go

So finally went out and bought a hard drive enclosure...

trouble is, stupid XP isnt recognizing it when I turn it on!


What am I over looking...

I am told in the manual that w/ XP the system will find and set it up automatically, recognize the HD in the enclosure as a USB Mass Storage Device.

This isnt happening.

I have tried leaving the HD designated as a SLAVE, and I have tried removing the small designation piece entirely.

Both produce no results.

Anyone have any insight for me?


And just in case anyone wonders, yes the thing has power and turns on. You can hear the hard drive running and spinning in the 3.5" enclosure.

I think you need to set it up as Master for it to work Jamie, as it's an external USB drive.

Try that out, see what happens.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen I think you need to set it up as Master for it to work Jamie, as it's an external USB drive. Try that out, see what happens.

the SINGLE or MASTER setting is w/o the little piece in. I've tried that.

Just to be sure, I'm trying it with the piece in the MASTER w/ SLAVE PRESENT setting too.

No luck though.

Ugh.

I actually think mine is set up as a slave...I'll check later.

If you stil have issues, go into Control Panel > Admin Tools > Computer Mgmt > Disk Mgmt

A friend of mine had an issue where I needed to reset the disk type (or something, I'm using the wrong words) in Disk Mgmt (you'll see the wroding if it appears in Disk Mgmt, then Google it for the Microsoft Knowledge Base article), and there was a hazard of it erasing everything when I looked it up on the MS KB.

To be safe, we copied the drive's contents to his desktop PC, hooked up the drive in the enclosure, perform the reset-type actions we needed to so the PC would recognize it as an internal drive, then copied the data back, and went about our biz.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen I think you need to set it up as Master for it to work Jamie, as it's an external USB drive. Try that out, see what happens.

he's right, set the jumper(the little thing) on Master(first 2 pins if no diagram is provided on the cover) and should work. (i know you said you tried it but maybe you tried the wrong pins)

The enclosure will behave as mass storage regardless of USB or firewire, windows will automatically recognize it, sometimes you may need a driver if the computer you're hooking up your HD to has a slower USB connection type (the first USBs or motherboard integrated before 2005, may not be as fast at the latest USB 2.0 driver), hence resulting in USB disputes where your computer won't show the attached device, hence no access.

Worse comes to worse, just yank the IDE cable out and plug the second HD set to slave; but it shouldn't be that hard.

Another solution is to buy a USB or Firewire (even better) hub where you can hook up your HDs (I think you can buy hubs in 2-4 ports). I believe that this hub may do.

try and see

Re: Question re: internal HDs used externally

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Cant seem to find the info I really want re: this. I have numerous internal HDs that I am not using (wasting!) as my compy only has power supply for two.. So I am looking to find some kind of dock that I can simply just slide these HDs in; the dock (not sure if this is the right term) will be connected to my compy via a USB2 connection. I'm sure/know they exist... anyone have any sight in what I'm for? The correct name for this type of product? What cost might run me? Though, once I know what to search for, pretty sure I can Google the cost of them pretty quick. Thx in advance guys Jem

Jem, if you want something fancy, check addonics stuff:
http://www.addonics.com/products/raid_system/mst4.asp

or just buy those external hd caddies for $20 a pop on ebay.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicati...=ULT31310%20KIT

I've used this one on 3 different drives and it is great. It has a built-in fan to cool the drive as well.

Highly recommended.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicati...=ULT31310%20KIT I've used this one on 3 different drives and it is great. It has a built-in fan to cool the drive as well. Highly recommended.

I just purchased two of these about a month ago. Work seamless, and the pretty lights are just an added bonus for superior performance...er, effect

Well...

Figured maybe the enclosure was just bad, I mean i tired all four settings (forgot to mention i tried the CABLE SELECT setting too w/ the jumper).

Took it back, and then I saw a USB 2.0 to IDE Cable. Bought that...


at home now and everything is working A-OK, fine and danny.

The HDs are detecting as USB mass storage devices! YAY!


I dont plan on leaving these "back up" or "extra space HDs" connected for long periods of time, so I think this will be a fine solution. Over-heating shouldnt be a issue since I dont plan to leave them connected extendedly.

Even less effort than the enclosure this is too, plug/connect two things and i have my other HDs present for quick swapping. Handy.


Thank you so much for all your responses guys. I really appreciate the feedback adn thoughts.

I guess it was just a bad enclosure in the end.

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