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somebody please book Johan Gielen
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco On my part, I'm the full embodiment of what you're saying. For better or for worse, half the people at the Martin Roth party knew who Martin Roth was, and the same goes for the Talla 2XLC/Vic/Funabashi. However, there's only so far us promoters can go. Your reply highly oversimplifies the art of throwing an event. I have dozens of guys that push tickets, thousands of dollars go into online promotions and heavy flyerboy distro, so no, I agree that the DJ itself doesn't sell an event, but there's only so much you can do to push an event to people, relative to what the cost is. We can't bring EVERY DJ that we wanna see, there is a certain line that is crossed between something being a "risk" and something being "way too much of a risk". There's a certain amount of profitability to keep this party-machine going. Hope that explains things  |
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| Originally posted by Twilogoddess Funny you should mention ASOT. They will be playing ASOT 300. Looking at their gig schedule it looks like they do mostly radio shows or mixes for afterhours.fm, di.fm and the like. Trance is HUGE in Israel and right next door to Egypt. No gigs there for a variety of reasons. |
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| Originally posted by kingchinc somebody please book Johan Gielen |
Oh yeah Jerz, you brought up a good point... We the promoters are required to cover the visas for the artists we book, who don't have them. For a standard "entertainer" visa from someone in Europe, it costs 4000$. For someone in Africa/Middle-East, I'm really not sure.
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco Oh yeah Jerz, you brought up a good point... We the promoters are required to cover the visas for the artists we book, who don't have them. For a standard "entertainer" visa from someone in Europe, it costs 4000$. For someone in Africa/Middle-East, I'm really not sure. |
aly&fila lol no one would show up
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| Originally posted by EliPsE aly&fila lol no one would show up |
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| Originally posted by EliPsE aly&fila lol no one would show up |
+1
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 not true....there are at least 5 of us on this thread that would. |
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| Originally posted by zizack unfortunately 5 people is only 1% of the amount of people you'd need to make a party with these guys work. |
It's a shame that raves with no name DJ's get packed to the brim but DJ's like this can't bring in enough people to spin here.
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| Originally posted by Twilogoddess He was at Webster Hall a few years ago. My friends said the place was empty. |
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| Originally posted by euphoria It's a shame that raves with no name DJ's get packed to the brim but DJ's like this can't bring in enough people to spin here. |
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| Originally posted by massivenyc daph i went with dov and seth a while back (like jan 05 i wanna say) to see him at avalon, he was awesome but it was dead too. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco I think if we had every DJ on TA to play an hour set at Club Shelter, we'd have a sell-out night, no joke, |
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco I think raves are pretty dead, except for small bar-raves in BK and Queens, but back when I was playing the raves the formula was simple... 40 x (small-name DJ + a lot of friends + shady venues that don't cost any more than a G) + they don't spend more than a couple hundred on paying any of the DJs = a successful addition to the wallet... I think if we had every DJ on TA to play an hour set at Club Shelter, we'd have a sell-out night, no joke, but with the 2000$-3000$ DJs, for the most part, you need to be really selective as to who's going to raise enough eyebrows to get people to go. |
Nah, what I mean is it's all local-driven. When I was playing raves, it was me and literally dozens of other guys I had been on a lineup with time and time again. We're all "friends" somehow with one of the organizers of the events and we got paid on a per-ticket/per-head basis. That's why costs would be pretty much NOTHING as far as DJs is concerned, and the price was 5-10$ at most, it was a good formula (and venues weren't in Manhattan so that wasn't out of control expensive either). For example here's a flyer of a warehouse party I played at (I'll never forget it) two years ago:
The combination of the promoters knowing all of those DJs and (for lack of a kinder word) being able to "screw" them out of any booking fee, except for maybe a few hundred for Monk and a few hundred for Bam Bam, it worked well because it was everyone's incentive to bring as many people on their part as they could. This can't work in a New York City club, and it's a formula that people ended up getting tired of, I guess (look at the rave scene now)... Here's another flyer I was on, note the massive amount of talent, and the shady South Bronx warehouse location:
Basically, in a nutshell, the massive amount of DJs and their pull (even if each person has 10-15 friends they bring, that's really good), not to mention the 16+ to enter policy, getting the money to cover the headliners (the FEW times they did have any big headliners) was no problem... However, this can't work now because the DJs everyone on TA wants to see require more than a few hundred dollars (hotels, airfare, and big-headed overcharged booking fees). That's the sad state, and I hate to seem like the bad-guy for actually replying to this post negatively haha but I'm just shedding the truth on you guys, sorry!
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| Originally posted by gmoney44 need to keep in mind that they are on the rise now and not that many people know about them..Strobe Life has said in other threads concerning bringing talent like this to NYC that it is high risk and the party would probably lose money. M.I.K.E. is a huge name and alot more known than Aly & Fila and the turnout at T-NY wasnt too good...of course it would be great for talent like Aly & Fila to come but its just not going to happen |
Because if they were, all these Trance events would be packed with people.
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| Originally posted by BiG MiKE Yea, and again I say it all the time. The people that come to Armin/Ferry/Tiesto/etc. shows are not real tranceheads Because if they were, all these Trance events would be packed with people. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco As a matter of fact, let's just have a Paul Van Dyk "In Between" listening party at Central Park; forget paying $70,000 for him! haha |
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| Originally posted by kingchinc somebody please book Johan Gielen |
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco On my part, I'm the full embodiment of what you're saying. For better or for worse, half the people at the Martin Roth party knew who Martin Roth was, and the same goes for the Talla 2XLC/Vic/Funabashi. However, there's only so far us promoters can go. Your reply highly oversimplifies the art of throwing an event. I have dozens of guys that push tickets, thousands of dollars go into online promotions and heavy flyerboy distro, so no, I agree that the DJ itself doesn't sell an event, but there's only so much you can do to push an event to people, relative to what the cost is. We can't bring EVERY DJ that we wanna see, there is a certain line that is crossed between something being a "risk" and something being "way too much of a risk". There's a certain amount of profitability to keep this party-machine going. Hope that explains things |
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| Originally posted by TranceGrooves London. flights are cheaper from London. Thats where Fila is. And for gigs only Fila travels. Aly sort of stays behind and keeps the dog entertained lolz. |
I would like to see the NYC dance scene get back to having more resident DJs. Years ago I can remember the resident DJs at Twilo included Carl Cox, PVD, Sven Vath, Anthony Pappa, Deep Dish and Sasha & Digweed. You knew you were going to see PVD, Cox, S & D at least once a month at Twilo and the place was absolutely packed. The lines were around the corner and people would wait 2 or 3 hours sometimes just to get in unless you knew someone.
A couple of events I have been to lately have been great but nothing is like it was. The scene is totally different. It was definitely more like a rave back then and the scene rocked. Personally, I would like to see a few things happen.
1. Get a venue to bring in some big names as their resident DJs. It's what made clubs like Twilo so special. NYC can surely support big name DJs spinning at one club every Friday night.
2. Put some SEATS in the club! It's absolutely amazing that people can't sit down without paying around $400 for just TWO people to sit down. Pacha took out their seating on the main floor which is just plain stupid. You can go downstairs but the vibe is so weak down there and it feels like a lounge. I can go on and on about this subject with every club since they decided VIP was better than the everyday Joe.
3. What is up with the prices in the clubs? People need a small fortune just to go out for the night. 12 dollar drinks and 6 dollar waters. I personally don't drink, but you can easily offset the lower alcohol cost by getting more people in the club or vice versa.
I understand that my ideas might be a little short sighted but IMO the venues themselves are more to blame for the scene right now than anyone else.
Yeah, you're right about the venus being to blame. Over the past half decade, the biggest change you've probably noticed is due to the venues' laziness in doing their own bookings. I could be very very very wrong but before the 2000s, were there even so many promo groups like People NYC, Basic NYC, myself, etc.? When I started clubbing (and like I said, I could be wrong), when Avalon had Ferry Corsten, it was because Avalon management brought Ferry Corsten. With the laziness of the clubs to do their own bookings, a middle-man like us, the promo groups, was added to make things more complicated. Then, all of a sudden, "bar-guarantees", smaller budgets, and less consistency became part of the game. When a venue did its own booking, and it failed, the venue lost a little money and they could vouch to never do that booking again. When a promo group does its own party and it fails, it could go out of business. The resident DJ is a very very very good idea though, and it's something I've really been trying to nail down (experimenting, at the moment, to see which DJ it is), so we shall see! What I've been doing is trying different *NEW* talent in different *NEW* venues, for better or for worse, but just to see what formula works best, so keep supporting the parties of myself, and the People's and Basic's and Massive's, we all know what's best for the scene, as far as music is concerned, but we just need your support to make things REALLY happen
Just got a response that they recently switched theyre booking agents so they are not sure as of yet. They switched to :
http://www.mostwanteduk.com/ and they are not even posted on the main page yet so they are working things out. Will let you know once I get more info
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