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Originally posted by igottaknow well you missed greenie's post

Shut up IGK.

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Originally posted by jennypie Shut up IGK.

moran

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Originally posted by igottaknow moran

Eedeeyot.

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Originally posted by chach you cant quote yourself h4x

sure you can

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Originally posted by fitom tiel sure you can

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Originally posted by tranceDJ This is true however when say for example you are in a relationship with someone who's maturity is similar to your own. However on the other hand, the issue of maturity comes to the forefront if you're in a relationship with someone who is much more immature (doesn't mean that they're younger). I agree with what you first said in that if one is a mature rational person and they are constantly around an immature, irrational person, they will be constantly frustrated by the things they see the irrational, immature person do. Then again if you put two immature people together even if they're doing the same kind of irrational things it seems normal because they're acts they both commit.

That's why I don't feel this word should be used in that sense: They're only immature when you're judging them against yourself - such must be the case, because they certainly won't see each other as being immature (or, even worse, they might see themselves as being mature and the other as immature).

Linking immaturity to irrationality doesn't work quite well either, because you can be immature by over-rationalising a situation. I don't know whether I was able to make my point clear...

^^^


Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

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Originally posted by jennypie ^^^ Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

So then it's impossible for a responsible person to be immature at times?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On So then it's impossible for a responsible person to be immature at times?

No. Being accountable doesn't always mean you're being "responsible".

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Originally posted by jennypie ^^^ Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

Wait, I must've misunderstood him then, because I don't think a responsible person is necessarily mature

I did overlook something in his reasoning then, didn't I?

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Originally posted by Lira Wait, I must've misunderstood him then, because I don't think a responsible person is necessarily mature I did overlook something in his reasoning then, didn't I?

I dunno. The way I interpreted it was that he was talking about accountability. Being able to take responsibility for your own actions, yes? I think that's real maturity...because it covers everything, and doesn't always mean that you're acting "grown up", or whatever...and it's not subjective.

But the term accountability lends itself to a social comparative - you are being "held accountable" for your actions, whether you would like to take responsibility or not. Granted, when people are in a serious situation where they are held accountable by a greater authority, it tends to straighten them out quickly, but people very rarely change their habits unless there is an internal incentive to do so - I think that this internal factor, which eventually flourishes into what I could consider a very "mature" state of self awareness is the true cause and state of maturity, not simply being put into a situation by an external authority.

Of course it's totally situational, and on an interpersonal level, some people never actually reach a state of "maturity" in this respect, but I think that human beings, as individuals, should be held to a much higher personal standard than mere social comparative.

edit: Sorry, but this seems to be degrading into a semantical battle I'd much rather not get into. :x

I think I probably agree with what you are saying though, Jenny.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On But the term accountability lends itself to a social comparative - you are being "held accountable" for your actions, whether you would like to take responsibility or not. Granted, when people are in a serious situation where they are held accountable by a greater authority, it tends to straighten them out quickly, but people very rarely change their habits unless there is an internal incentive to do so - I think that this internal factor, which eventually flourishes into what I could consider a very "mature" state of self awareness is the true cause and state of maturity, not simply being put into a situation by an external authority. Of course it's totally situational, and on an interpersonal level, some people never actually reach a state of "maturity" in this respect, but I think that human beings, as individuals, should be held to a much higher personal standard than more social comparative. edit: Sorry, but this seems to be degrading into a semantical battle I'd much rather not get into. :x I think I probably agree with what you are saying though, Jenny.

LOL! Yeah I see what you're saying. We can go that deep if you want, the point is valid. But I don't think the thread starter meant to delve that far.


I did mean it in a simple way though. Just that mature (to me) people don't make excuses and play the blame game in life. That's where your self-awareness factors in. I figured it went without saying, but then I tend to speak as if everyone can read my mind.

would you have to always date someone that is "mature" in your eyes? sometimes immaturity (sp?) makes things more fun.

like blowing stuff up w/ fireworks.

*Dutch ovens everyone in the thread*

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Originally posted by jennypie *Dutch ovens everyone in the thread*

I had never heard the phrase "Dutch oven" used in that sense before.

Thanks for the education.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I had never heard the phrase "Dutch oven" used in that sense before. Thanks for the education.

You're a real man now, son. Be wise in the world and brave in your heart.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Maturation is a biological process characterized by a wide range of physiological changes resulting from the biological nature of the organism. It can't really be reduced to a number, but it can be measured in terms of certain benchmarks. For example, once an animal is biologically capable of reproduction then it can be said to have reached sexual maturity. The term "maturity" has been widely misappropriated to describe the degree of similarity between a person's behavior and how "mature" (adult) individuals are expected to behave in a specific culture, or, even more frequently, a subjective and abstract notion of how mature individuals ought to behave. The process by which the behavior of an individual is shaped through various means to conform with the standards of a particular culture is certainly not part of the maturation of a human being any more than being chopped up and assembled into a chair is part of the maturation process of a tree.

+1.

if you posted more frequently, had a shemale fetish, and produced/played acid music, i'd be almost entirely redundant to this community.

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Originally posted by Psy-T +1. if you posted more frequently, had a shemale fetish, and produced/played acid music, i'd be almost entirely redundant to this community.

i miss read "women with decks" thread and thought it said "women with dicks" and then i thought of you.

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Originally posted by igottaknow i miss read "women with decks" thread and thought it said "women with dicks" and then i thought of you.

I thought of this, actually:

"if you got a lot of money you don't need a big deck"

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On This seems like a very sound list to me, but is maturity really being all of these things all of the time? I think that these traits are what society could deem "mature", but can an individual ever truly be mature if they sometimes deviate from these expectations but sometimes adhere to them? I think that awareness of one's actions defines maturity best. Perhaps a person's conduct may not conform to exactly what people expect out of their age or mental capacity, but if they are aware of what they are doing and consider the fact that other people may very well disapprove (despite what they actually choose to do), then I think that this demonstrates a very high degree of maturity. It's surprising how often people are simply unaware of what they say and do a lot of the time though. Well, maybe it's not surprsing... >.>;;

yes that's all very true, but there have been many times where i said or did something and it just didn't come out right, and i realized it, but there was really no way to redeem myself and it's like you are probably going to be judged for that stupid little thing you said at that party with those people you didn't know very well...

i dunno if that's what you were getting at, but i mean, we're all human and people say dumb shit or do dumb shit...i think another big sign of maturity besides self awareness, is awareness of human nature and society as a whole, which goes hand and hand with forgiveness.

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Originally posted by Psy-T +1. if you posted more frequently, had a shemale fetish, and produced/played acid music, i'd be almost entirely redundant to this community.

Hey, hey, you'd always have a special place inside our hearts

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Originally posted by Lira Hey, hey, you'd always have a special place inside our anus

Most of the time it's a term that people like to use to describe others in a way that will make them feel better about how extremely boring they are.

I'm, 27, I think, but, I often get referred to as a big boy, or a 14 year old in a 27 year olds body, but yeah. oh look a bird. .


special place in yer anus? http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070505

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