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whatever works for you I guess. When you start djing out, being able to beatmatch with one ear to the cued track and one to the monitors will become important. I am a resident dj at a very well known venue in NYC, and we play on a Urei Rotary mixer that only allows for one channel to be cued at a time. I have seen quite a few big named djs freak out because they beatmatch with their headphones on normally, and can't in this club. So, try and learn the one ear on, one ear off method if you are going to be playing out.

As long as the mixer has gain controls, I can cue mix....In fact, that's what I mainly used to cue mix. I hard ever used the cue knob of any mixer. I can hear more that way.

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Originally posted by Rick Mage As long as the mixer has gain controls, I can cue mix....In fact, that's what I mainly used to cue mix. I hard ever used the cue knob of any mixer. I can hear more that way.

No offence, but I have absolutely no idea what you just said...

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 No offence, but I have absolutely no idea what you just said... Cheers Nem

I didn't get that either....
How do you only use the GAINS for cue your music?

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Originally posted by Pinokio Why do you use one ear mainly, if you are more confident with both cups?

i learnt using one ear and it's the way i have always done it. only when the speaker setup makes it difficult, ie: as already stated, if the speakers are at a lower than ideal height or too much surrounding noise/feedback, will i use both "cups"

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Originally posted by Spoonz i learnt using one ear and it's the way i have always done it. only when the speaker setup makes it difficult, ie: as already stated, if the speakers are at a lower than ideal height or too much surrounding noise/feedback, will i use both "cups"

ok I get it =)

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Originally posted by Pinokio ok I get it =)

Re: learn as many ways as you can...

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Originally posted by Dzokayi As said before, you never know what situation you'll encounter when playing out. The Rane MP2016 is popular down here, and it's strictly 1 in, 1 out monitoring on that mixer.

Ha! Sorry, but that's no longer true. Rane updated their MP2016, and now they added CUE/PGM Mix feature. The new mixer is the MP2016a.

Re: Re: learn as many ways as you can...

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Originally posted by DjWoody Ha! Sorry, but that's no longer true. Rane updated their MP2016, and now they added CUE/PGM Mix feature. The new mixer is the MP2016a.

Slight contradiction there.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I didn't get that either.... How do you only use the GAINS for cue your music?

If you have both channel on, you can listen to both tunes at the same time.....You can then use the gains to control the volume of what you hear. Like how loud of the tune, that you are coming with, you wanna hear. I usally just use the mids or treble gain. That's if the mixer will allow you to listen to both channels at the same time. I have never known of a mixer, with gain controls, that will not let you listen to both channels at the same time.

If they got one...what kind of a piece of shit is that mixer??? And what kind of shitty club would have one?? They do want the DJs, who cue mix, to spin well don't they??? Or do they just get their rocks off laughing at them if they can't cue on that mixer, while club goers leave their club?? You would think they can afford a decent mixer....

However, I am a veteran DJ. I can DJ without using the cue if need be. I always practice both ways. I just takes me a little longer to mix. I can get a beat matched, while cue mixing in 20 to 30 seconds at the most. Sometimes within 5 to 10 seconds. The other way, takes me about two minutes..at the most..or less. I can get the beat match pretty close within 30 seconds. I'm just not sure...So, I spend more time making sure that I got it right when I don't cue.

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Originally posted by Rick Mage If you have both channel on, you can listen to both tunes at the same time.....You can then use the gains to control the volume of what you hear. Like how loud of the tune, that you are coming with, you wanna hear. I usally just use the mids or treble gain. That's if the mixer will allow you to listen to both channels at the same time. I have never known of a mixer, with gain controls, that will not let you listen to both channels at the same time. If they got one...what kind of a piece of shit is that mixer??? And what kind of shitty club would have one?? They do want the DJs, who cue mix, to spin well don't they??? Or do they just get their rocks off laughing at them if they can't cue on that mixer, while club goers leave their club?? You would think they can afford a decent mixer.... However, I am a veteran DJ. I can DJ without using the cue if need be. I always practice both ways. I just takes me a little longer to mix. I can get a beat matched, while cue mixing in 20 to 30 seconds at the most. Sometimes within 5 to 10 seconds. The other way, takes me about two minutes..at the most..or less. I can get the beat match pretty close within 30 seconds. I'm just not sure...So, I spend more time making sure that I got it right when I don't cue.

So if I get this straight, what you do is listen to both channels in both ears, and adjust the gain a little to make sure you can hear the incoming track?
That's quite normal for a lot of DJs. It's actually a very precise way of doing it.

Back when I started doing it, you had to match of the beat coming from the dance floor. Most mixers didn't allow you to match in the phones and monitors where not the clubs top priority. That teatches you how to beatmatch in all sorts of conditions.

Cheers
Nem

What the fuck? Someone is saying that it is wrong to mix inside headphones. Why? The mixing option in mixer is included because you should use this feature if you want. Im usually make the fade-in by using 50% headphones and 50% monitors. After fade-in, i monitor the process in my headphones. It is more easy to pitch-control your job inside headphones. This is obvious.

He was joking...

I've played in a club where the only possibility was headphone mixing. I don't consider that a problem, I love doing the entire thing on the headset.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 So if I get this straight, what you do is listen to both channels in both ears, and adjust the gain a little to make sure you can hear the incoming track? That's quite normal for a lot of DJs. It's actually a very precise way of doing it. Back when I started doing it, you had to match of the beat coming from the dance floor. Most mixers didn't allow you to match in the phones and monitors where not the clubs top priority. That teatches you how to beatmatch in all sorts of conditions. Cheers Nem

I think I'm missing something here...

If you're increasing the gain of one channel so that you can hear it over the other in your heahphones, wouldn't the crowd here the incoming track way too early while you're trying to beatmatch prior to cueing?

no they will not when the fader is down
It's quite handy, it's a sort of cue/master mix that way if your mixer doesn't support it natively.. It can be very handy sometimes.

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Originally posted by Storyteller no they will not when the fader is down It's quite handy, it's a sort of cue/master mix that way if your mixer doesn't support it natively.. It can be very handy sometimes.

Oh fucking hell yeah - when the faders down!!!

You'll have to ignore me......

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Oh fucking hell yeah - when the faders down!!! You'll have to ignore me......

LOL!

I only ever mix in the headphones, i find it loads harder to do it with one ear live/ one ear cued channel.

Btw, do some mixers not have the option to have both channels playing in the headphones? - or is split cue the less common of the two?

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I have a friend who beatmatches and mixes entirely in his headphones.

yea i do all beatmatching in my headphones. with one ear you really have to crank up your headphones which kills whatever ear you're cueing with.
then when mixing, ill fiddle with the headphone focus over to PGM or inbetween MIX and PGM.

plus, the music sounds so much better in the headphones than crappy booth monitors :P

how i do it:
1. cue upcoming track in headphones to your cue point
2. beatmatch with both tracks playing in headphones
3. turn headphone to PGM while bringing in cued track
4. adjust between MIX and PGM to check the mix

imo, anything that helps you get a tighter mix isn't cheating, just intelligent djing.

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Originally posted by kadomony imo, anything that helps you get a tighter mix isn't cheating, just intelligent djing.

definitely!

i just recently started (in the last few days) using both channels in headfones... find it so much easier - fuck knows y i had not cottoned on earlier!!

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