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while we're on the subject on promoters.
I was in talks with a certain promoter here to play the an opening slot in the house stage for a 6000pax outdoor party sometime in june.

benny benassi will be headlining the night while the dj's before him and after me all play house / tech house.

here's the problem, i play full on psytrance.

i requested that i get a slot in the hard trance stage but unfortunately the local headliners for the hard trance stage are only letting dj's from their collectiv play with them.

so that left me with the breaks tent or the hip hop tent.

The breaks tent is already chock full of amazing talent and the hip hop tent is ..erm.. meh.

bottomline is ..

i turned down the gig and many many people are giving me shit for turning down such a big event.

Should of just played and if ppl ask why did you play in the hip hop tent blame the promoter hehehhe free drinks r free drinks.

i got vvip.
i get free drinks anyways. :P

I wouldnt have played the gig. I would have agreed to blend my music style more to suit the event but wouldnt have played soemthing completly different like hip hop or top 40 stuff.

yeah.
i mean i could've just decided to play house since I used to anyway. I was booked under the impression i still played house but it's just not the sound i want to be pushing anymore.

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Originally posted by Inertia stay glued to the decks 'till you can phrase. its pretty easy actually. just cue your records and let go ONLY on the 1st beat of a phrase (meaning cue up the 1st beat of the phrase in the track you wanna mix and... AND let it go on the first beat of the phrase of the track thats already playing). you can normally tell what part of the phrase the ongoing track is at by listening to a few beats. there should be a crash or a distinct change in sound telling you a new one has started most of the times.

Thats basic phrasing, but good phrasing is when the song breaks down and is replaced by beats from you're cued song in such a way that it sounds good. You can simulate this via volume/eqing but good phrasing is the difference between great djs and everyone else IMO

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Originally posted by nousplacidus Thats basic phrasing, but good phrasing is when the song breaks down and is replaced by beats from you're cued song in such a way that it sounds good. You can simulate this via volume/eqing but good phrasing is the difference between great djs and everyone else IMO

Listen to the set I posted above.

I know what phrasing is, but I'm really having hard time doing it. It's just that, when I press play on the cued track - I have to re-sync the beats with the platter, which takes a few seconds. After that I have no choice, but to bring the cued track in at some random point. To summarize - I miss the first beat of a phrase.

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Originally posted by Andryuha Listen to the set I posted above. I know what phrasing is, but I'm really having hard time doing it. It's just that, when I press play on the cued track - I have to re-sync the beats with the platter, which takes a few seconds. After that I have no choice, but to bring the cued track in at some random point. To summarize - I miss the first beat of a phrase.

Doesn't matter if you miss the first beat of the phrase cause when you've got the beats back in line, they are still in phrase and then you just have to bring them in at the start of the next phrase.

I find all this talk about phrasing really weird cause when I first started djing many years ago, I completely understood the concept of phrasing way before I could beatmatch.

But then, some people have an ear for it some people rely on technical methods.

don't listen to the guys who say don't do it
go play at this club
if you suck you suck but this opportunity may not be here when you are ready the next time
I agree with the dude who told you to practice beforehand though
Glue yourself to the decks
Good luck bro

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Originally posted by superglo yeah. i mean i could've just decided to play house since I used to anyway. I was booked under the impression i still played house but it's just not the sound i want to be pushing anymore.

Yeah, you could have gone for it but if your hearts not in it then why do it? And playing full on Psytrance would have just been plain wrong for a warm up set for Benny B.

I have been on the same night as Bennassi. He's actually a really good DJ, but does drop some weird shit from time to time. I couldn't warm up for him. Our worlds are so far appart it's unreal. He plays a lot softer than I like. He couldn't even warm up for me if I was warming up for someone he he in terms of style that is. Nice guy though, you should talk to him if you get the chance.

Cheer
Nem

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I find all this talk about phrasing really weird cause when I first started djing many years ago, I completely understood the concept of phrasing way before I could beatmatch. But then, some people have an ear for it some people rely on technical methods.

well, you see, I understand the concept of phrasing. It's just that I can't really put it to work.

I am listening to your mix now, sir. Beat matching is fine in your first transition, though you faded the first track out a little fast there at the end. I'll post more when I finish it up. But I haven't heard any "shoes in the dryer" train wrecks or anything. Maybe you're stressing over nothing?

Well, I gave this a run through at work this morning. This not a terrible mix by any means. It does need work, however. I think you are at that point where you are VERY close to being comfortable enough and skilled enough in your beat matching to do longer blends. I'd say that with daily practice you could post the same mix in 2 months and it would sound like an entirely different mix!

Some of your fades are a little quicker than I prefer. You have the incoming track matched relatively well, but the outgoing track fades too quickly, so you lose energy while waiting for the melody on the incoming track to arrive. This, as you know, is your phrasing. I don't know any magic advice to confer here. When I mix, I usually wait for the first beat coming out of the second or "mini" breakdown to throw in my incoming track on its very first beat. This works the majority of the time, but again, it's not guaranteed to deliver every time. I mix uplifting trance, so it's an easy, standard formula to mix this way.

You're getting there, so don't give up in frustration. In closing, if you haven't done so, become intimately familiar with your tracks. This will go a long way in proper phrasing.

I' hope you'll post another mix in the coming weeks so I can listen again.

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Originally posted by Andryuha well, you see, I understand the concept of phrasing. It's just that I can't really put it to work.

even if after you've dropped the new record on the first beat of the phrase and you need to bend the pitch to get it in time, the phrases are still fine (unless you pitch bend a whole bar the wrong way, which is unlikely).

i found phrasing the easy part, beatmatching though..hmmm a bit harder

you shouldnt need to count beats, you should just *know* when to do it, i cant really explain but im sure someone can

edit - how long are your transitions usually? judging by other DJs ive seen i'm doing it all wrong

have you got a mix uploaded BTW? im no expert but would like to listen

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Originally posted by Smiley even if after you've dropped the new record on the first beat of the phrase and you need to bend the pitch to get it in time, the phrases are still fine (unless you pitch bend a whole bar the wrong way, which is unlikely). i found phrasing the easy part, beatmatching though..hmmm a bit harder you shouldnt need to count beats, you should just *know* when to do it, i cant really explain but im sure someone can edit - how long are your transitions usually? judging by other DJs ive seen i'm doing it all wrong have you got a mix uploaded BTW? im no expert but would like to listen

He linked a mix somewhere on page one. I gave it a listen yesterday at work. Check it out and see if you concur with my assessment.

I made another mix last night and I think I'll send this one to the promoter. Let me know what you guys think (it's mostly choons, due to promoter's request):

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1. Super8 and Tab - Get off
2. Menno De Jong - Tundra
3. Kyau and Albert - Falling Anywhere
4. Jonas Steur - Silent Waves
5. Aerium - Dolphins
6. Kyau and Albert - Kiksu
7. Redshift van der Vleuten - Blue Mountain
8. Ronald Van Gelderen - This Way
9. Deep Dish - Say hello
10. Paul Van Dyk - Time of Our Lives

ttt

I think it's got a lot of old tunes in it and you need to update your bag a bit before you send anything off to anyone.

/my $0.02

bump

I always remember cleveland loathing this kind of trance... has that changed?

they were always into their drum and bass, breaks, techno and hardcore..

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Originally posted by nefardec I always remember cleveland loathing this kind of trance... has that changed? they were always into their drum and bass, breaks, techno and hardcore..

Actually I've noticed that people love electro house here. That's what most DJs play for warm up sets as well.

I listened to the mix and the beat matching seemed pretty spot on. I heard a small drift, but you handled it well.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I listened to the mix and the beat matching seemed pretty spot on. I heard a small drift, but you handled it well.

Thanks for listening. Yeah, I'm aware of that drift. I had one of those "oh shit" moments.

So, I sent a demo to this promoter about 10 days ago and I haven't heard back from him. Should I keep waiting or should I contact him and see how things are going?

Here's what I sent him:

http://rapidshare.com/files/36596682/demo.mp3.html

1. Tiernan O'neil - Shine
2. Pacjam - Urban Minds
3. Sebastian Leger - Saturn
4. Pryda - Armed
5. Terry Lynn - Kingstonlogic (Pacifist Mix)
6. Jussi Polet ft. Josie Dale - Positive (Supermodels From Paris remix)
7. Funabashi - Daylight
8. Dominic Plaza - Sounds Rushing (David West Remix)
9. Sasha - Bloodlock
10. Endless Blue - Salty Waters
11. Probspot - Blueberry (Original Mix)
12. Evbointh - One Wish

no offense man, but after a certain point you are going to have to just learn on your own things like this. It's pretty much common sense business. Ask your parents

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