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Originally posted by ResonantDrag oh god, when will this stop?!

MisterOpus dosent deserve the honor to engage in a debate with me. No offense but I only deal with intellectual people that actually understand history and know how to analyze world events and understand politics from a historical point of view. And dosent only focus on what the current media promotes and use that as base for their "suppose evidence" on the truth

By the way I guess that many people in here have gotten to the point that dislike me and may want to provoke me so I can get banned, seems that they cant handle Arnold

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to defeat an insurgency?

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus dosent deserve the honor to engage in a debate with me. No offense but I only deal with intellectual people that actually understand history and know how to analyze world events and understand politics from a historical point of view. And dosent only focus on what the current media promotes and use that as base for their "suppose evidence" on the truth By the way I guess that many people in here have gotten to the point that dislike me and may want to provoke me so I can get banned, seems that they cant handle Arnold

You don't deserve to be in here in the first place. You suck, you CAN'T debate. You CAN'T support your views, you just fuck up every forum your in.

I'll be pleased when your banned again.

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Originally posted by Krypton You don't deserve to be in here in the first place. You suck, you CAN'T debate. You CAN'T support your views, you just fuck up every forum your in. I'll be pleased when your banned again.

EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

HELL HATH FROZEN OVER, OPUS AND KRYPTON AGREE ON SOMETHING!






MrS

Kypton w.e your name is that is a very interesting question.

First, I must say in recent years our military hasn't been trained properly how to deal with guerrilla warfare. The Vietnam war served as a big lesson for America in military warfare. For the first time, our Army wasnt dealing in a conventional war battle.

To get to your point now.... Guerrilla warfare is very complex. The main objective is to involve the enemy in a long-drawn out war. The aim is to wear down gradually the much larger and stronger enemy.

Now with whats happening in Iraq, my solution here it is:

Go after their fucking resources. Obtain the most possible intelligence that you can gather, where they get the money, food, medication and so on.. to operate in a battlefield. to put it in simple terms, go after the most needed resources.

understand better the enemy. know who is charge of what, and those who are competent and incompetent so you can pretty much have and idea of their fighting capabilities and leadership status. this will also lead to have a better understanding of their military tactics.

turn the people against them. convince the people that these groups and a bunch of thugs and w.e so on... make them feel that they will be more secure with you and that in the long run they will see prosperity. when you turn the people against them, this will stop recruiting. but this imo must heavily be practiced in villages and shit where these groups get the most support from.

also... if you can get the identity of these guerrillas go after their relatives and kidnap those bitches so they can come up front and stop the nonsense and provide us with intel, if not they can say good bye to their relatives.

Also, how about if you get some iraqis and shit and offer them money and protection to their family and use them to infiltrate some of the groups in exchange for intel. its risky but i think i can be done. i mean if you offer them money and protection to their families it can be very effective. you can get these guys and give them some training on intel and how to report back to us, and there you have it.

I mean... fuck guerrilla warfare. Can someone answer me this.

How do you stop fanaticism? How can you change a man or a womans mentality that if they commit suicide they are going to heaven? This IMO is the biggest challenge for America

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus dosent deserve the honor to engage in a debate with me. No offense but I only deal with intellectual people that actually understand history and know how to analyze world events and understand politics from a historical point of view. And dosent only focus on what the current media promotes and use that as base for their "suppose evidence" on the truth By the way I guess that many people in here have gotten to the point that dislike me and may want to provoke me so I can get banned, seems that they cant handle Arnold

lol.

here is an interesting thought. you yanks invaded iraq, so technically your the insurgents......

Sorry boys and girls Insurgency is here to stay for a looooooong time even if the U.S pulls out right now.There is no winning at this war really.

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Originally posted by Krypton You don't deserve to be in here in the first place. You suck, you CAN'T debate. You CAN'T support your views, you just fuck up every forum your in. I'll be pleased when your banned again.

OH HELLLLLL NAHHHHHHHHH!

Dont disrespect your dad like that again. Who have I debated? I havent even tried to engage in one here. no offense but most of these guys here dont know shit. i mean it from the bottom of my heart.

I mean dude understand that im a thinker. I come up with my own analysis through a historical point of view and current conflicts. i mean i dont need to read what Mr. writer wrote and then use that as sole evidence. what would happened if our leaders go nuts, and they manipulate the media? all you guys will be echoing w.e shit they say

thats why you have people like me... that analyze shit. i read articles and tend to go beyond w.e the fuck they are saying because come on, we should have some doubt on some things on the shit we read. am i correct? if cnn says our retired soldiers say that we are fucked, lets go ahead and believe them. i should start doing that

i mean what im trying to say... if you want to talk about the ME=Middle East. You must view it from a historical point of view you know i think that we can succeed in Iraq i really do. i support my troops there, i care about them, shit most of my friends that graduated from HS with me last year are in Iraq and they also want us to succeed in iraq and believe so and want to continue on till the end.

what pisses me off is that politicians have politicized that shit and are playing games and shit with not providing them with money for armory and shit because some people want to add benchmarks i mean name me a fucking war that has been won with benchmarks

wtf if you are a military historian and ACTUALLY know warfare theyll laugh their ass off. a war with benchmarks please

what im trying to say is tha s guerrilla warfare takes time. it isnt a matter that you are going to get up the next day and see dramatic change. I got to tell you, im frustrated that this operation has taken long. but as they say " frustration only makes men take cowardly decisions"

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Originally posted by LatinLover I mean dude understand that im a thinker. I come up with my own analysis through a historical point of view and current conflicts. i mean i dont need to read what Mr. writer wrote and then use that as sole evidence. what would happened if our leaders go nuts, and they manipulate the media? all you guys will be echoing w.e shit they say thats why you have people like me... that analyze shit. i read articles and tend to go beyond w.e the fuck they are saying because come on, we should have some doubt on some things on the shit we read. am i correct? if cnn says our retired soldiers say that we are fucked, lets go ahead and believe them. i should start doing that

This doesn't make you special.
There's a few people floating through here that have careers as independent analyst's, we're not all pill heads, ravers and students. For starters we all have to source the same information and same history to deduce what we will from it, you certainly aren't privy to anything special in terms of either on the spot eyewitness accounts, undoctored reports and classified sources of information.
In my experience the only analysis worth a damn is from someone with a proven track record of founded assessments, up until that point they're proven beyond a doubt, it may as well be hearsay and ranting. It's nothing personal, but what you say is just as potentially valid/incorrect as anyone else's private assessment. Given most people are liable to only pursue one eventuality also is a flawed method of analysis, this isn't mathematics or a science where you get a single result, there's a lot more constantly updating events which can set an outcome completely askew.

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Originally posted by LatinLover

Dude, I don't even read ur posts anymore. It's nothing but bullshit.

Hey guys, this kid originally named arnoldj got bitch-slapped out of the Florida Forum.

Here

here

Looks like he wants another banning. Hopefully this time it can be his ip address that gets banned.

Whats all the hatred here towards me?

I apologize to all those that I have offended. But please grow out of it. Lets stay on topic and keep the negative comments away, if not please lock this thread

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! HELL HATH FROZEN OVER, OPUS AND KRYPTON AGREE ON SOMETHING! MrS

LOL, oh yea, when the PDD is threatened, we have to agree to stomp out this retarded troll.

in fact, thanks to arnoldj/latinlover, whatever his name is, this thread is closed. Until he gets banned, I wouldn't make a thread, or it may be hijacked.

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Enough is enough!

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Originally posted by LatinLover What a fucking idiot!

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Originally posted by LatinLover Dont disrespect your dad like that again. Who have I debated?

No one, and that's exactly the problem.

This hubris is nothing but annoying: you haven't said anything great (or mediocre for that matter), thoughtful or independent yet. I mean...

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Originally posted by LatinLover what pisses me off is that politicians have politicized that shit and are playing games and shit with not providing them with money for armory and shit because some people want to add benchmarks

Is that it? No, it can't be... we know a great thinker wouldn't point something that obvious out. "Politicians politicising wars"? Really!?

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Originally posted by LatinLover Now with whats happening in Iraq, my solution here it is: Go after their fucking resources. Obtain the most possible intelligence that you can gather, where they get the money, food, medication and so on.. to operate in a battlefield. to put it in simple terms, go after the most needed resources.

Is that it? No, it can't be... such basic strategy cannot have come from someone who analyses "through a historical point of view and current conflicts". There's got to be something special, that applies exclusively to this war - after all, you're an independent thinker, so you're bound to come up with something different, aren't you?

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Originally posted by LatinLover turn the people against them. convince the people that these groups and a bunch of thugs and w.e so on... make them feel that they will be more secure with you and that in the long run they will see prosperity. when you turn the people against them, this will stop recruiting. but this imo must heavily be practiced in villages and shit where these groups get the most support from.

Is that it? No, it can't be... that's what populist regimes have done ever since the dawn of civilisation.

Something must be missing...

... your sources, perhaps? Oh, no, that's true, an independent thinker has to come up with utterly original material, without any theoretical or historical basis.

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Listen, either come up with something interesting, or stop provoking everyone else around you for no reason. Otherwise, you'll contribute as much as you're contributing now - and you're going to do that without your posting privileges! Now that would be revolutionary

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