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Originally posted by DJFreaq I've noticed an interesting thing. No matter what the product, the person using the product with a lot success will generally swear by it, and hold it above all others. It doesn't matter what the DAW/product is; if he/she can use it the best, they assume that it must be the best. Once again, the argument will always end in: A DAWs, a DAW, a DAW. I agree Digi, it would be nice if Cubase was a bit more careful with how it corraled plug-ins. Instead it seems to preferr free-range plugins a bit too much, and sometimes the cows won't come home. And your farm will crash. Wow. Enough with the pastoral metaphors. Time to make some choons.

I was going to ask if you'd maybe just visited a farm. Free-range plugins? Awesome.

You are right, and that's one of the reasons why I used the phrase "appropriate for the kind of production I do" - not "best" or "good" or "sucks".

It's unfortunate, but in almost every industry, and especially technological industries, there is consistently a large group of people always looking for a silver bullet. Of course no such thing exists, and all they succeed in doing is to cause aggravation for the rest of us, but not only do they not care - they typically never even realize that they're wrong. When one fad passes or one technology fails them, they simply find a new one to evangelize.

Reliability is a particularly irritating aspect of the whole mess. It's almost laughable that anybody in their right mind would assume that just because they personally have not had any problems with a product, it is therefore an exceptionally reliable one. But an unbelievable number of people do take the "works on my machine" approach with software, including the developers themselves! The very worst - and I think I've seen this more for Steinberg products (Cubase, Wavelab) than anything else, is when support staff and other users have the audacity to blame the users for having "unstable" machines.

Example: I once started getting an error message from Wavelab every time I started up, it said "Unknown TException" and then the program shut down. Now, having come from a Borland Delphi/C++Builder background myself, I know exactly what a "TException" is and why such a message would come up: one of the programmers wrote a huge block of code and enclosed the entire thing in a generic exception handler. They didn't expect some specific operation to fail, didn't write any code to handle the error, and worst of all, displayed an utterly useless error to the user as a result (even "something bad happened" is better than "unknown TException") and didn't bother to leave any debug information to get the problem identified or fixed.

So I googled "Unknown TException Wavelab" to find, as one of the only meaningful results, a thread on the Cubase forums where one of the moderators is insisting that it is due to reliability problems on the user's machine. It doesn't even matter whether or not the problem was hardware-related (in my case, it wasn't) - the fact is that any program which handles a problem this way (or should I say, fails to handle it) is buggy, and it is beyond unprofessional to blame the user for it!

But people don't care - they figure because their iPod has worked for 6 months without incident, that it's therefore way better than any of the other MP3 players and that all of the tens of thousands of broken iPods probably just belonged to idiots who didn't take proper care of them. If you find it difficult to create some specific effect in FruityLoops, you just didn't take enough time to properly learn the software. If Cubase is buggy as hell on your machine, it's obviously your machine that's the problem. And of course, all of the features missing from Ableton Live (like halfway decent routing) are just silly features that no talented producer would ever need anyway.

It gets incredibly old after a while, but that's the way it is. The blind religious love and hatred in every technological field will never stop.

Edit: Wow, sorry for the long rant.

^awsome post read it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut The very worst - and I think I've seen this more for Steinberg products (Cubase, Wavelab) than anything else, is when support staff and other users have the audacity to blame the users for having "unstable" machines.

Zing! Precisely. I've been using Cubase for about 3 years now, and that is exactly what I've noticed from the Steinberg crew.

They roll their eyes, turn up their nose, and say in a very heavy german accent "Eetz obviously zour fault."

Since I haven't any SERIOUS errors, I mostly just lurk on the Cubase.net forums, but it's facsinating to look at threads about other peoples problems.

10 Different users will go back and forth confirming a bug, and then finally, when all of the users go "Hey! I managed to make it do the same thing on my machine!" The thread gets closed by a mod:

"This issue has been addressed."

Honestly, talk about a big "FUCK YOU." From the people you PAID to make your software.

Yea. I'm pissed. I want my free routing in Cubase 4.



Bitch.

I will continue to use Cubase SX 3, but I absolutely will not pay another cent to Steinberg until they eat some humble pie and admit that their software, like every other piece of software on the planet, isn't perfect and has bugs that need to be fixed.

Cubase 4 is mostly cosmetic changes and a few new (admittedly useful) features. I've not seen any indication that they actually fixed the MIDI timing issues and other bugs that caused so many headaches in all the previous versions.

Same goes for Native Instruments - they keep investing more and more resources into the zaniest copyright-protection schemes known to man, instead of actually fixing their f$cking bugs. The only "upgrade" they've ever provided that was actually more stable than the previous version was Battery 2.

I love the fact that my FLStudio is so friggen stable. I can probably count on one hand the times when it has crashed on me when it wasn't my fault.

All other times was because of a silly soundcard bug with my EMU software that got fixed.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq They roll their eyes, turn up their nose, and say in a very heavy german accent "Eetz obviously zour fault." Bitch.

LMAO ... Sorry, but i thought that was funny..

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