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Originally posted by Fast Turtle No, they wouldn't. I haven't seen any threads about the Darfur conflict in recent history, despite 450,000 people dying there, and God knows how many human rights violations and rapes have occurred as well. How about the trafficking of human sex slaves from Eastern Europe? And the tens of thousands of prisoners held their for political dissent of their totalitarian governments (eg Uzbekistan)? Atrocities are happening everywhere.

So as soon as someone DOES point out something wrong with the world you get upset? fuck that.

gosh you are an idiot. to say that poeple dont care because they feel pitty for the girl that got stoned is stupid. guess what i feel pitty for bums here in atlanta.. doesnt mean i cant also not feel pitty for what goes on in africa.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle No, they wouldn't. I haven't seen any threads about the Darfur conflict in recent history, despite 450,000 people dying there, and God knows how many human rights violations and rapes have occurred as well.

Maybe if they record the violence with their cell phones and cameras we can.

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How about the trafficking of human sex slaves from Eastern Europe? And the tens of thousands of prisoners held their for political dissent of their totalitarian governments (eg Uzbekistan)? Atrocities are happening everywhere.

How about not nullifying a normal reaction to a girl getting stone to death by giving other cases of atrocities. If you want to post an "everthing that's wrong with the world" thread then do it. But this one's specific.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail So as soon as someone DOES point out something wrong with the world you get upset? fuck that.

I'm just frustrated by the people who see this and say, "Oh, that sure is awful", while they're ignorant of all else going on in the world. I never said this was insignificant.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I'm just frustrated by the people who see this and say, "Oh, that sure is awful", while they're ignorant of all else going on in the world. I never said this was insignificant.

What makes you think they're ignoring everything else? If I see someone killing another person I don't think to myself, "That's terrible, but everything is terrible, so I shouldn't be so shocked?."

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I'm just frustrated by the people who see this and say, "Oh, that sure is awful", while they're ignorant of all else going on in the world. I never said this was insignificant.

Oh, that sure is awful.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson What makes you think they're ignoring everything else? If I see someone killing another person I don't think to myself, "That's terrible, but everything is terrible, so I shouldn't be so shocked?."

I probably am desensitized, but the way I see it, you may as well concentrate on the big problems before you care much about the small ones. I'm not much for sensationalism; I feel much worse about seeing things like 'genocide' and 'starvation'.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I probably am desensitized, but the way I see it, you may as well concentrate on the big problems before you care much about the small ones.

I am not desensitized and the way I see it, I take each case scenario as it is and don't try to rationalize it by comparing it to other terrifying case scenarios. If someone gets caught stealing, I'm sure the judge doesn't say, "You stole and stealing is wrong, but murder is also wrong and you didn't do that. I'm not saying what you did is right thief, but wow man...I mean murder...why don't we just stop paying attention to your stealing habits and think about murder."

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I am not desensitized and the way I see it, I take each case scenario as it is and don't try to rationalize it by comparing it to other terrifying case scenarios. If someone gets caught stealing, I'm sure the judge doesn't say, "You stole and stealing is wrong, but murder is also wrong and you didn't do that. I'm not saying what you did is right thief, but wow man...I mean murder...why don't we just stop paying attention to your stealing habits and think about murder."

No, but if you were put on a jury and before you was brought a thief and a murderer, and you have to sentence one to life and let the other go, which would you choose? The sentences served for murder and theft are incongruent for good reason.

See those advertisements on the side of these news pages? These are what pay to have this information delivered to us. It's targeted to us in the belief that we'll care, see the advertisements they display, and they'll get paid. The media is an industry, not a humanitarian organization.

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Originally posted by nchs09 if a video was psoted about a girl in africa, the reactions would be the same.

Ummmm... Rwanda? The Congo? Darfur? Sierra Leone? Uganda?

Videos are on CNN all the time... but because we can't blame them on some "enemy religion" we don't care/notice/do anything about it. I think Fast Turtle's implicit question is: "why?"

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Ummmm... Rwanda? The Congo? Darfur? Sierra Leone? Uganda? Videos are on CNN all the time... but because we can't blame them on some "enemy religion" we don't care/notice/do anything about it. I think Fast Turtle's implicit question is: "why?"

who is this WE or PEOPLE u guys keep talking about? cause i know I care.. and preatty much everyone i know who keeps up with current events does as well.

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Originally posted by nchs09 who is this WE or PEOPLE u guys keep talking about? cause i know I care.. and preatty much everyone i know who keeps up with current events does as well.

Then go.

http://www.invisiblechildren.com/theMission/Go

Give.

http://www.genocideintervention.net/index.php

i am doing 1 year volunteer work in mali when i get out of school, thankfully my dad set it up....

so thanks for the websites but im allready planning on doing my part.

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Originally posted by nchs09 i am doing 1 year volunteer work in mali when i get out of school, thankfully my dad set it up.... so thanks for the websites but im allready planning on doing my part.

Glad to hear it.

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Originally posted by nchs09 i am doing 1 year volunteer work in mali when i get out of school, thankfully my dad set it up.... so thanks for the websites but im allready planning on doing my part.

Good.

I'm sorry if I come off a little ornery on topics like this, but it drives me crazy when people (not you in this case) point to instances in the Middle East or elsewhere in order to decry local cultures and/or religions as primitive or somehow less valid than our own, when the amount of suffering that goes unnoticed simply because there isn't an obvious scapegoat is appalling. Three billion people in this world live on less than a dollar a day, and no one talks about it. From 1998-2002 four million people were killed in civil war in the Congo (ensuing from the political fallout of the end of a genocidal regime installed by the West) - nearly half of those deaths were children, and yet no one has ever heard of it. Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army (a Christian organization once lauded by the likes of the evangelical right in America) is responsible for the abduction and enslavement of 200,000 children in Uganda as soldiers. And no one in this country knows his name.

So yes, it's terrible that this girl died. But don't be mad because her death was simply some product of an inferior culture. Be mad because injustice is everywhere and we only acknowledge it when we can prove a cheap point.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle No, but if you were put on a jury and before you was brought a thief and a murderer, and you have to sentence one to life and let the other go, which would you choose? The sentences served for murder and theft are incongruent for good reason.

Very true. But courtrooms don't compare two different kinds of crimes between two different criminals in order to decide which goes to jail. So your point isn't really valid in reality, just theoretically.

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See those advertisements on the side of these news pages? These are what pay to have this information delivered to us. It's targeted to us in the belief that we'll care, see the advertisements they display, and they'll get paid. The media is an industry, not a humanitarian organization.

Uhhhhhhhh what? There are advertisements everywhere. Advertisers just pay to advertise where they think the most people will see them. An advertisement doesn't mean that you are supposed to care. Advertisers play on the fact that you care to begin with. You don't have to click on the link. If I saw someone get stoned to death and someone else came up to me and said, "That's sad huh. Wanna buy my product," I wouldn't reply with, "You're playing on my emotions! I don't find it sad so you can't advertise to me!" No, I'd ignore the advertiser because they are irrelevant to the situation.

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Originally posted by nchs09 i am doing 1 year volunteer work in mali when i get out of school, thankfully my dad set it up....

By the way, that's going to be an amazing experience, and I hope to hear all about it someday. Mali used to be the cradle of civilization before drought and famine devastated it. Now though, through efforts of volunteers like you, Mali is making a comeback, and has actually led the charge in reforestation of parts of the Sahara, making it once again possible to grow food in the region.

I applied for a grant to go to Uganda and it didn't come through for me, so I'm hoping to get over there myself just as soon as I can finish grad school. I'm jealous of those getting the opportunity to go so young.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov By the way, that's going to be an amazing experience, and I hope to hear all about it someday. Mali used to be the cradle of civilization before drought and famine devastated it. Now though, through efforts of volunteers like you, Mali is making a comeback, and has actually led the charge in reforestation of parts of the Sahara, making it once again possible to grow food in the region. I applied for a grant to go to Uganda and it didn't come through for me, so I'm hoping to get over there myself just as soon as I can finish grad school. I'm jealous of those getting the opportunity to go so young.

why not volunteer ? im doing it via CARE. but there are alot of non-profits that always look for volunteers which focus mainly on poverty.

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Originally posted by nchs09 why not volunteer ? im doing it via CARE. but there are alot of non-profits that always look for volunteers which focus mainly on poverty.

Lol, because I accidentally got into grad school. That was my plan B, but I got a scholarship and now, well. I'm going for international development though, so I figure I'll be doing plenty of volunteering in the future at least.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Lol, because I accidentally got into grad school. That was my plan B, but I got a scholarship and now, well. I'm going for international development though, so I figure I'll be doing plenty of volunteering in the future at least.

even though i msut admit the one year volunteer work is not as noble as it seems. of course part of me wants to do it to help poeple, but another wants to do it to geta foot in the door with nonprofits and for experience.

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Originally posted by nchs09 even though i msut admit the one year volunteer work is not as noble as it seems. of course part of me wants to do it to help poeple, but another wants to do it to geta foot in the door with nonprofits and for experience.

It's all about getting a foot in the door. That's what I was trying to do over here for awhile, and was having a terrible time of it. I talked to John Prendergast, who was the former US envoy to Darfur and works now with the International Crisis Group, and he said that the best way to get into the international non-profit sector is to just go abroad and volunteer anywhere you can. While you're there, network with some of the other non-profits in the area too. CARE is great, but get to know the volunteers and organizers of other groups like OXFAM or UNDP or whomever is there. Those connections can prove essential if you want to make a career in non-profits. There's no other time in your life that you can live out of a backpack, so why not take the chance now?

Without a Master's degree and/or international volunteer experience, the industry is basically closed. So those were the two routes I gave myself, and this is the one that ended up working out. Hopefully we'll end up in much the same place one day when all is said and done.

Whilst there are these under developed & unevolved religious cultures in the world, this activity will not stop. It's too big for change; there are over a billion of these religious people, too many to educate basic morals & ethics to. To liberalise them or influence them to pick up western values on humanity is an impossible task! What are westerners going to do?? March in there with an army of troops & demand they accept our laws? lol, Yeah right!!

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At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants. Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population.

The world is over run by degenerate devout religious morons! They are unevolved animals without empathy towards other human beings.

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ The world is over run by degenerate devout religious morons! They are unevolved animals without empathy towards other human beings.

I can never tell when you're being sarcastic or not. And where did you get those numbers?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I can never tell when you're being sarcastic or not. And where did you get those numbers?

My lawyers told me Im not allowed to disclose that information

But they did say I can hand out another complementary goat as a token of my love for all things with flippers & blow holes.

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