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Posted by chach on May-19-2007 16:29:

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Originally posted by wotyzoid
i dont its fair that you guys bash religion as a whole since i feel that there are humongous differences among them.

It's ok I understand where they are coming from.There is nothing on earth that can measure faith.

Hebrews 11:1

1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on May-19-2007 16:42:

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Originally posted by Taranis
I'm not saying that religion is the source of these moral qualities, but it does, I feel, play a huge role in enforcing and maintaining their position in society. A huge number of the moral guidelines people in western civilization follow are based on judeo-christian values. Even for the most adamant disbeliever, they are passed down in one manner or another.

bullshit!!

morals, empathy, & ethics can exist without religion. Stop making excuses.

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on May-19-2007 17:54:

Posted by R!CH on May-19-2007 18:06:

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Originally posted by jdat
To ignore religion as a power for good is to deny the forward progress it has brought.

While there are many examples which could show otherwise, if it was not for moral thought and change brought on by the church our modern world as we view it would not exist. Democracy etc.

common attribution error. morality and altruism predate organized religion

Posted by R!CH on May-19-2007 18:08:

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Originally posted by Zharen
I must say, if Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and James Madison all decried an existence of a God, then it must be that this nation wasn't founded on Christianity. I only point this out, because I'm so sick of Christian fanatics telling me that this nation was built on Christianity and must remain a Christian nation. Based on those quotes above, clearly, it isn't.

it's not the first time religion has used false rhetoric to prop itself up. the vast majority of the founding fathers were deists regardless of what any religious sect proclaims.

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