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i know that mastering is weak in reason but . can i still do a proper mix down or am i wasting my time

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Originally posted by lowski can i still do a proper mix down

Yes.

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Originally posted by lowski i know that mastering is weak in reason but . can i still do a proper mix down or am i wasting my time

I have trax out on very reputable labels using REason as my main interface.

all i do is made with reason

hmmm good to know. i just went and bought a new comp after a few months since my last one was stolen i was using and will be using reason alone as well. its music time!!!!!

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Originally posted by Mr Rogers you can blow anyone out of the water using reason if used properly. and when in need... rewire. and for mastering, do not use reason (mastering suite is shit).

What?
The EQ is great and the limiter is actually better than most VST limiters.
I miss it alot now that I rewire with Cubase (I can't use the limiter on the master now).
The compressor isn't very useful on the master output, but it's great on individual channels.
I think it was wrong of them to call it a "mastering suite" cause they're not really that. But calling them shit is kind of harsh.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum

So, is that your way of saying "Sorry, I'm a daft twat but I'm just going to resort to using smilies instead of shutting up my cumhole and writing a formal apology?" - in that case your apology is accepted, ya skank wank.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja you're only sending midi messages to vsti's in cubase also... so what?? RUBBISH!!!

yes. but those who are not working in VSTi realm ONLY are also sending AUDIO data to tracks... which I am sure you would agree would be SLIGHTLY more taxing on the system than PLAIN MIDI -->>> VSTi. No?

PS. Usually audio = more ram/hd usage, synths/effects = more cpu usage unless they're sample based. You could use more of either ram or cpu in any app.. You can get underruns in any app if your buffer size is too small. Reason could automatically change the buffer size before playback though depending on your system resources and how much is going on in your track, but I doubt it does this.

I asked myself this question last year in August, I went ahead with Cubase and never turned back, with Cubase it actually allows you to have your own sound.

I found Reason could allow you to have your own sound but it was very difficult, and not the difficult that requires allot of intelligence to figure out, just allot of time.

Stil Cubase wins it for me for allot of other reasons too.

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Originally posted by emc^2 yes. but those who are not working in VSTi realm ONLY are also sending AUDIO data to tracks... which I am sure you would agree would be SLIGHTLY more taxing on the system than PLAIN MIDI -->>> VSTi. No?

no.

the Cubase ASIO Full Duplex driver is pretty much useful for any soundcard.

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Originally posted by emc^2 yes. but those who are not working in VSTi realm ONLY are also sending AUDIO data to tracks... which I am sure you would agree would be SLIGHTLY more taxing on the system than PLAIN MIDI -->>> VSTi. No?

No, it would not be, you fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum No, it would not be, you fucking idiot.

Got anything to substantiate your BS with? So far all you've done is flapped your gums (well, fingers - to be precise). Care to share some FACTS?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja no.

ARE YOU F*CKING SERIOUS? You mean to tell me that if I have a project in Cubase in which I am working ONLY with VSTi's and then I have another project wich has VSTi's and AUDIO tracks - THEY ARE BOTH GOING TO PRODUCE THE SAME LOAD ON THE SYSTEM, EVEN WHILE RECORDING/PLAYING BACK AUDIO??????????????????????????

Please tell me you're kidding. I can't facking believe it - apparently this stupidity is facking contageous! Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzussssss people.



sheeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Originally posted by emc^2 ARE YOU F*CKING SERIOUS? You mean to tell me that if I have a project in Cubase in which I am working ONLY with VSTi's and then I have another project wich has VSTi's and AUDIO tracks - THEY ARE BOTH GOING TO PRODUCE THE SAME LOAD ON THE SYSTEM, EVEN WHILE RECORDING/PLAYING BACK AUDIO??????????????????????????

If you have a project with just VSTs (Or Reason with its synths), and a project with just audio, the one with VSTs (Or Reason) will use more CPU. Playing back audio uses very little CPU, its VST/VSTis/Synths/Effects that use CPU. If you dont understand this simple concept then I really feel sorry for you...

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum If you have a project with just VSTs (Or Reason with its synths), and a project with just audio, the one with VSTs (Or Reason) will use more CPU. Playing back audio uses very little CPU, its VST/VSTis/Synths/Effects that use CPU. If you dont understand this simple concept then I really feel sorry for you...

But that wasn't the question, was it? Here it is re-quoted for you:

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Originally posted by emc^2 yes. but those who are not working in VSTi realm ONLY are also sending AUDIO data to tracks... which I am sure you would agree would be SLIGHTLY more taxing on the system than PLAIN MIDI -->>> VSTi. No?

Whatever dude. I'd offer you "agree to disagree" but I'm sure you'll go digging for other ways to keep this argument going. So, here ya go: "you win":

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Originally posted by emc^2 But that wasn't the question, was it? Here it is re-quoted for you:

It was the part of the question that was at all relevant to your original assertion that Cubase will have more latency than Reason just because it can handle audio, or do you not even remember what the fuck you were arguing about?

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Originally posted by emc^2 Whatever dude. I'd offer you "agree to disagree" but I'm sure you'll go digging for other ways to keep this argument going. So, here ya go: "you win":

Ah, another textbook deployment of the "Ive completely lost this argument but Im gonna pretend Ive won and stop posting and hope nobody notices". You already tried this one on page two and failed but you're now attempting a new variation, the "sarcastically announce the opposition the winner then stop posting".

Reading your posts is like reading a "Retards guide to arguing on this internet: How to feel like you won without ever needing to prove you were actually right".

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum It was the part of the question that was at all relevant to your original assertion that Cubase will have more latency than Reason just because it can handle audio, or do you not even remember what the fuck you were arguing about?

Actually no, jackass - do you have a reading and comprehension problem, on top of an obvious slew of other development issues? Here is what I said:

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Originally posted by emc^2 Cubase running several audio tracks could experience SUBSTANTIAL latency if using DirectX and/or crappy sound card. ASIO is definitely a way to go and is offered by "pro" sound cards.

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Ah, another textbook deployment of the "Ive completely lost this argument but Im gonna pretend Ive won and stop posting and hope nobody notices". You already tried this one on page two and failed but you're now attempting a new variation, the "sarcastically announce the opposition the winner then stop posting".

Actually, this is more of a "don't feed the troll" tactic, to be honest.

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Reading your posts is like reading a "Retards guide to arguing on this internet: How to feel like you won without ever needing to prove you were actually right".

yup. you're right. Though I haven't seen a single concise argument/showing of facts from you - not even a screen cap. But hay, you won! time to celebrate, break open that bubbly. maybe get a life perhaps. As I already said on a previous page - I have yet to see any evidence from you. You haven't produced sh!t besides some nonsense rhetoric and abject claims. So, projecting a bit there, no?

Can't wait for yet another one of your brilliant replies.

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Cubase running several audio tracks could experience SUBSTANTIAL latency if using DirectX and/or crappy sound card. ASIO is definitely a way to go and is offered by "pro" sound cards.

Which is utter shite because latency has absolutely nothing to do with CPU usage and everything to do with soundcard buffers, therefore Reason and Cubase, when using the same drivers, will have similar latency.

Im sorry your feeble brain doesnt seem able to understand this.

Looking over your posts (which only amount to 11, but let that not be a an indicator of your knowledge/capabilities) - all your posts are of negative nature and bear marks of an obvious "troll on patrol, looking for argument".

Hey, did you need a whole roll of toilet paper to wipe your fingers after typing a pile of this steaming hypocritical BS?

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Yeah, I dont read this forum much, but there seems to be a lot of that in here. Almost every thread in this production section has someone flaming someone else, seemingly for no other reason than flaming someone just for the sake of it, just like david.michael's post in this thread.

You haven't written a single positive or informative post here - or do you come for confrontation and argument? Is your real life really that depressing that you need to have internet arguments to assert yourself in your pathetic life? What's the matter? Real bullies kicking your weakling a$$ and you need to take your anger somewhere?

If you want to have a normal discussion - please, let's have it. You wanna get into insults and name calling? Pi$$ off!

I just dont like people spreading bullshit misinformation, if I see someone posting misinformed crap Ill correct them. I may flame sometimes, but I only flame when people are talking shit and pretending its fact, rather than flaming for the sake of flaming.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum I just dont like people spreading bullshit misinformation, if I see someone posting misinformed crap Ill correct them. I may flame sometimes, but I only flame when people are talking shit and pretending its fact, rather than flaming for the sake of flaming.

Thank you Captain Bullsh!t Defender, what did we do before you got here is beyond the grasp of my feeble brain!

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Which is utter shite because latency has absolutely nothing to do with CPU usage and everything to do with soundcard buffers, therefore Reason and Cubase, when using the same drivers, will have similar latency. Im sorry your feeble brain doesnt seem able to understand this.

Again, we flip back to the Reason 3 operating manual:

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As described on page 280, you generally want the lowest possible latency, to get the best response when you play Reason in real time. However, selecting too low a latency is likely to result in playback problems (clicks, pops, dropouts, etc.). There are several technical reasons for this, the main one being that with smaller buffers (lower latency), the average strain on the CPU will be higher.

Here is your well deserved set of

Yes, if you set the buffers lower you'll need a better CPU to feed the buffers fast enough. The also applies EQUALLY to Cubase as it does to Reason, so yet again doesnt in any way whatsoever prove your absolutely meaningless statements that the latency would be worse in Cubase.





























I dont know why you keep arguing, you just keep quoting completely out-of-context pieces of text from manuals when its clear you have no real clue about how latency and soundcards work...

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