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i used to listen to nothing but hip hop back in high school. i guess i just got tired of it or something about the time i graduated and started listening to punk and radio rock' n roll like system of a down and what not. i listen to that genre for about a year and then i moved to new york where i discovered techno for the first time on napster. ever since then thats the only thing i listen to. ive been listening to it for about a year and a half.
i say that nobody should talk shit about somebody elses type of music since its better to have an open mind about things, especially music. i also say that everyone is a hypocrite so it doesnt really matter to me i just havnt been able to figure that since ive started listening to trance i cant stand listening to anything else, but ill figure it out

I have a quick question for the hip hop addicts on this board. Is hip hop the same thing as trance? What i mean is, once a rapper leaves the "underground", does he become hated? just like some trance, once a DJ leaves the underground and starts playing "cheese", he becomes hated by most purists right? I think that that is a qualtiy that is shared by all sorts of popular music.

yeah each music genre has some shit assosiate it with it.
hip hop-->gangs

trance--> drugs. thats a buch of bullshit to me however in trace we do not insult anyone. we do not call girls whores or insult other people. i just wish hiphop would do without all the insult i love ja rule he has good music and good voice but dont give me hip hop where all the lyrics constructed of the word fuck.


P.S trance is more than ecstacy and glow sticks

^^^Very nicely said.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle That shows how much I know about Rap music eh I just threw Eminem out as an example of a white rapper who has perhaps crossed the great chasm of racial sterotyping? Sorry about insulting you. My post was only dealing with the wannabe's.

You ain't insult me with your post, it's cool. Em has crossed that chasm, which was a nice step, but I was just saying, Em is the only one these people know, it shows their lack of education of the culture they like to bash. I mean, if you say "it's not for me", that is cool. Listen to whatever you want to. but just saying that the whole genre sucks is not cool.

Genrecism? like the music version of racism? lol.

Imma start a anti-genrecism(?lol?) movement. I dunno. lmao.

Yeah it's a shame that all genres of music have these stigmas attatched to them
electronic music-drugs
hip hop-gangs
rock-stoner
punk-stoner
ect...

Also, I just want to point out that I know absolutly nothing about rap/hip hop. Eminem was the first white rapper that I thought of. I bet you would have gotten a kick out of me saying vannilla ice instead eh

me-stoner...I mean, uhhhh...nevermind, lmao.


And YES! once a rapper goes mainstream, they are hated severely. That is one way to lose the respect of your peers in the underground hiphop scene. Eminem used to be a tiiiight underground freestyler. Competed in the world championships, and if I'm not mistaken won one year. But once Dr. Dre signed him, the underground dis-owned him, basically. Just an example.

But the 2 music types are actually alot alike upon inspection.




Education is the key.

LMAO @ Vanilla Ice.

Yeah, then I laugh at the fact that I still have "Ice Ice Baby" on an old school mix cd, lmao.

hahahaha. gotta love Vanilla Ice "go ninja go ninja go! NINJA RAP!"

also, thanks to everyone who has turned this thread from "RAP SUX0RS! WHITE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO RAP ARE WIGGERS AND SHOULD BE KILLED" into a good thread with valid and excelllent points.

^^^Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go! lmmfao, I'd forgotten all about that one! lol.

But yeah, back to your original point, Hiphop is alot like Trance, you have to know pretty much everything about the culture to truley enjoy it.

Since I was a little kid I have gone through stages of liking (in order) country, rock, rap, and now techno(trance), and I play classical and jazz sax. I'm very glad I've gotten to appreciate and participate in all of the major musical cultures. It has allowed me to really be educated about the differnt musical styles throughout the world, and has allowed me to speak freely about all of them.

But I'm in Trance now, and I'm staying, I think

But there are definatly just as many things to understand and appreciate about hiphop as any other genre, even trance.





Education is the key

listen, "underground" rap is the biggest load of BS. every underground rapper's goal is to make it in the big times and make money off their music. I remember a few years ago Rass Kass was big on the "underground" scene and "underground" people thought they were cool if they listened to them , i turn on muchmusic one night out of sheer stupidity and what do you know.... a Rass Kass video with them rapping about how hardcore they are. if a rappers underground, it's because he's not good enough (at whatever) to sell records.

would you not admit that raps main theme is being more hardcore then your counterpart? list me all the rappers you like and I'll find dozens of songs with lyrics that state exactly that. it's basic human nature, and it is in it's most basic form; some loud mouthed jackass using a mix of hyperbole and delusion to mark their territory, so to speak.

musically, I just don't see the appeal. i mean, if i bang a congo drum and clash a fork against a cheese grater a few times I could come up with the hook behind a common rap song. it seems like the message and lifestyle is the biggest appeal. that's why you have so many wiggers. they're insecure middle class sheep waiting to be herded by the latest trend; rap.

don't label rationilizing rap music to yourself and your insecurities as making "valid" points above naysayers, you're entitled to your opinion but don't act like people who chose not to like rap are close minded or racist because they don't listen to music that's on a simian level of conciousness (in my opinion).

p.s. Spyke, educate me, please.

i used to listen to hip hop or rap or bass..what eva you call it..in the early 80's and 90's...now hip hop is more about lyrics then a nice beat and melody..thats why i hate it soooooo much...all you hear is the guy talking (err raping)...

Ok... i have been listening to Rap music since '94. i will admit that, as of this minute, 95% of the ap you hear anywhere (even the underground) is horrible. the last GREAT album to be released, that actually has meaning, is Nas - Stillmatic. if instead of saying "oh god, its rap, i can't listen to this," you actually listened, you would see that some of it is extremely meaningful. listen to Keep Your Head Up by Tupac. One Mic by Nas. oooo!!!!! actually, scratch those two. EVERYONE.... DOWNLOAD "Last Emperor and Poetic - One Life" and tell me that *ALL* rap music is pointless and sucks. that is one of the most beautiful songs ever created... especially when you learn that 3 months after this song was created, Poetic died of cancer after fighting it for approximately 2 years. i hope most of you change your mind about not just hip hop, but all musical genres. open your ears and just take a listen. but do yourself a favor and download that song.

I don't mind some hip-hop. But I generally much prefer trance or r&b. I can see why some people like it - it can have nice beats and catchy lyrics - but I generally don't like it cause it doesn't seem to change enough during the song like most trance does. Generally what you hear at the start is the same as you get throughout the song - with basically only new lyrics added throughout and maybe a new melody during the chorus. I don't mind this type of music but I prefer it when there's actual singing.
With most trance music at the start there is only a beat (which I actually find rather boring - but I know its helpful for mixing) and during the song new layers are added and I particularly love the breaks which are changing the whole time.
Though for some reason I do like this track:
Bubba Sparks - Ugly (Dunno why)

Hip-Hop = Top 40 dance for the absentminded

I'd rather listen to modern country music than hip-hop.

I hate singers who swear to sell records, that is the cheesiest thing any vocalist can do on a record period, IMO.

It's always funny hearing my brother talk about Tu-Pac's recordings from the grave....

However the biggest reason I dont like hip-hop. It has cheesy melodies that wouldn't hold up in any other music genre.(not even Italo-Disco) It uses melodic bass lines for god sake!!!! That's totally disgusting and kills the flow of a song completely. Otherwise the beats are ok, (see Enigma/Delerium for example of quality music w/hip-hop beats) if you can get past the self indulgent rappers talking about their benjamins and gold chains 24/7 and cheesy synth melodies w/ even cheesier looped samples that the lamen Fatboy Slim would be proud of... Then yes I say Hip-Hop is a great music genre.

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Originally posted by trance[]control-fan i used to listen to hip hop or rap or bass..what eva you call it..in the early 80's and 90's...now hip hop is more about lyrics then a nice beat and melody..thats why i hate it soooooo much...all you hear is the guy talking (err raping)...

Actually I disagree, hip-hop in the 80's was more about making a statement. Ala Public Enemy. Yes it has better music than the hip-hop of today, and thankfully it doesn't have the cheesy synthlines of the modern stuff. In some cases they are cheesier than Aqua (JayZ in this case)

Modern Hip-Hop would be better if the rappers learned how to actually make decent synthwork instead of using plinky plonky synth melodies to drive me nuts.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle . You know what it is? It's about kids trying to emulate gangs and prisons.

yeh calla told me about that, but we just joked saying the cooler kids wanted to be the "daddys"* and the other kids that they are cooler than are the "gimps"*

*NOTE: you will have to of seen the film "scum" to get this, hehehe

only time i hate hip hop is when people ask for me to spin it at partys when im throwing awesome trance tunes down that they neeeeeeeever would have heard of in their lifetimes. And they always ask me if i have "music to dance to". They are such idiots or at least un educated. I can listen to hip hop when it has a nice melody like stuff by the spooks or common or tribe called quest. But i think people need to come out of their hip hop shells and listen to real party music...

i used to listen to rap when i was in school (early high school) but it grew less appealing to me cause it looked like you had to have this tough gangsta image to sell records. IMO its all mostly talking about the exact same thing nowadays just to a different tune.
i used to be a HUGE fane of r&b but that changed quickly vecause of trance. that and the fact that all they sing about is what was said 5 years ago but to a bouncy tune

OK,I simply can't take this ingorant slammin' of a whole genre,I have to respond:

Look,I don't think WE should talk about HIPHOP getting commercialized when trance has the exact same problem.Trance producers are just as bad,using the same clich�d elements over and over again,not giving a FUCK about being innovative and keep doing it over and over to sell as much as possible.Talk about hypocrisy...

Anyways,there is a LOT of ignorance here.Underground rappers do NOT only want to break into the charts.That's bullshit.SOME do, but like ANY other music genre,there are a lot of underground lables and artists that FIGHT to stay underground by doing no promotion.(Def Jux Records for instance,who just released a compilation where the tracks were only played before on some obscure pirate radio station.)

Like mentioned before,you should do some RESEARCH on the music before making a statement that a whole genre is crap.And basing your opinions on hiphop on all the West Side-poseurs is in no way representative for the whole Hiphop genre,as this is only a fraction of what it is all about.And to all of you saying that hiphop has no real message to the people,well listen to tracks from Dead Prez or The Roots,and realize how fucking ignorant you are.

Why don't all you hiphop-haters dig a little deeper into the genre?You'll see that there is WAY more to it than you can possibly imagine.Check out tracks from labels like Stones Throw,Def Jux and BBE and artists like Aesop Rock,Quasimoto,Cannibal Ox,Common,Gang Starr(find a track called "Discipline".Guru (the rapper) will explain why you're wrong)A Tribe Called Quest....You'll soon understand that there are very different styles within hiphop that do not share the same attitude and music as the hiphop virtually everybody on this forum base their slammin' on.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Also, I just want to point out that I know absolutly nothing about rap/hip hop. Eminem was the first white rapper that I thought of. I bet you would have gotten a kick out of me saying vannilla ice instead eh

I think BeastieBoys where the first, right? Anyways, Beastie Rules!
I like hiphop.

Not as much as trance tho...


Got the feeling I had to say that before I got my head bashed in...

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper OK,I simply can't take this ingorant slammin' of a whole genre,I have to respond: Look,I don't think WE should talk about HIPHOP getting commercialized when trance has the exact same problem.Trance producers are just as bad,using the same clich�d elements over and over again,not giving a FUCK about being innovative and keep doing it over and over to sell as much as possible.Talk about hypocrisy... Anyways,there is a LOT of ignorance here.Underground rappers do NOT only want to break into the charts.That's bullshit.SOME do, but like ANY other music genre,there are a lot of underground lables and artists that FIGHT to stay underground by doing no promotion.(Def Jux Records for instance,who just released a compilation where the tracks were only played before on some obscure pirate radio station.) Like mentioned before,you should do some RESEARCH on the music before making a statement that a whole genre is crap.And basing your opinions on hiphop on all the West Side-poseurs is in no way representative for the whole Hiphop genre,as this is only a fraction of what it is all about.And to all of you saying that hiphop has no real message to the people,well listen to tracks from Dead Prez or The Roots,and realize how fucking ignorant you are. Why don't all you hiphop-haters dig a little deeper into the genre?You'll see that there is WAY more to it than you can possibly imagine.Check out tracks from labels like Stones Throw,Def Jux and BBE and artists like Aesop Rock,Quasimoto,Cannibal Ox,Common,Gang Starr,A Tribe Called Quest....You'll soon understand that there are very different styles within hiphop that do not share the same attitude and music as the hiphop virtually everybody on this forum base their slammin' on.

WORD!

So true!
Good points man!

LAterZ:z.....

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Why don't all you hiphop-haters dig a little deeper into the genre?You'll see that there is WAY more to it than you can possibly imagine.Check out tracks from labels like Stones Throw,Def Jux and BBE and artists like Aesop Rock,Quasimoto,Cannibal Ox,Common,Gang Starr,A Tribe Called Quest....You'll soon understand that there are very different styles within hiphop that do not share the same attitude and music as the hiphop virtually everybody on this forum base their slammin' on.

i didnt flame and dont want to flame, but can i point out that i doubt hip hop haters would want to dig in deaper? i wouldnt because i dislike the music. i think the whole idea of this thread was to question why hip hop is the mainstream genre today, excluding pop but that will always be there. hip hop shares the same popularity with nu-metal (although this year the case seems to be not with nu metal being shunned out of the british charts at least now its been "done") and i think a few people have justified this reason with there posts. but it is inevitable you are going to get people slamming sumthing they dont like and are having put in there faces everyday, specially on a trance dedicated website...

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because its cheesy "cool persons" music, most peopel are wannabe blacks these days because theyre "cool" so they play all their type of music.

That comment makes no sense.

It has nothing to do with anyone wanting to be black... Thats like saying "oh trance fans like trance because of the cool "glowsticks" and the "rave" or even "XTC" scene"... would u want non-trance fans saying that about us?

Alot of people like hiphop because of a very dancable beat, at clubz if you are going to clubs to meet girls, its a very dancable beat, and alot of people are more into lyrics and rhymes. It's poetry in its own way for younger kids. But there's so much success in hiphop and younger kids because hiphop is targeted towards them. Hiphop is the most universal type of music in this world.

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i didnt flame and dont want to flame, but can i point out that i doubt hip hop haters would want to dig in deaper?i wouldnt because i dislike the music.

That's OK,but then people shouldn't go around slamming the whole genre,when they don't know the whole genre!!

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but it is inevitable you are going to get people slamming sumthing they dont like and are having put in there faces everyday, specially on a trance dedicated website...

You're right on that one.Too bad that people have to slam a whole genre,simply because they've heard some of it that's bad.

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