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why does everyone think that laws and services should revolve around them?

last call is at 2am, deal with it.
if you must drive then dont fucking drink.
if you must drink then make sure you have a responsible designated driver or have enough money for a cab (or be comfortable with sleeping on a park bench) since public transit does not operate throughout the night.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Every 30 min or even every hour is alright. At least you know when it would come. Every few subway cars I'd be happy with.

y not just take the bus that comes more frequently?

its definately time to abolish last call.

Last call is a relic of a by gone era that used government intervention to ensure that people would show up for church on Sunday morning.

last call..

Or push it back to 1AM and extend the bars an extra hour. Also, reduce the costs of bottled water or give it complimentary after last call. Do whatever it takes to make ppl more responsible and sober.

Vancouver extended its hours from two to four but then ppl started going to the bars even later. Same issues there, as in Ottawa: club district gets encroached by condos. These condos do advertise nightlife as part of the package, so not all condo-dwellers are against clubs there.. just maybe new ones that prop up near their property.

Re: last call..

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Originally posted by Spin Laden Or push it back to 1AM and extend the bars an extra hour. Also, reduce the costs of bottled water or give it complimentary after last call. Do whatever it takes to make ppl more responsible and sober. Vancouver extended its hours from two to four but then ppl started going to the bars even later. Same issues there, as in Ottawa: club district gets encroached by condos. These condos do advertise nightlife as part of the package, so not all condo-dwellers are against clubs there.. just maybe new ones that prop up near their property.

this is why we should not extend last call.

We should ABOLISH IT completely.Then people will come and go from clubs naturally.

What's interesting is that pretty much any "problems" that exist today in clubland actually stem from artificial government intervention.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Every 30 min or even every hour is alright. At least you know when it would come. Every few subway cars I'd be happy with.

Exactly. Even if it doesn't run often, as long as you know the schedule, you can time your exit from the club so that you catch the bus, and if you miss it, waiting for another hour inside the club is a piece of cake. It just sucks how people are completely stranded downtown if they missed the last subway/bus out of there.

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Originally posted by smuncky y not just take the bus that comes more frequently?

Not a fan of taking the vomit comet but I do. I'd rather subway it back though in the winter. I'd wait somewhere where I'd feel comfortable that way. Instead of randomly near some bus stop outside. So far it's every half hour which I'm alright with, I don't know how consistent that is, seems like every hour...meh.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 If youd like to join the facebook group "HELP SAVE TORONTO'S NIGHTLIFE" you can do so here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2883020643 We are trying to gather together as many people as possible to use as amunition to approach the media and also start our own lobby group. So please join and invite all your friends. It's important that we all unite to fight back against the injustice that is being served on all of us on behalf of condo owners who should have known better when they bought into the area.

If I were on Facebook, I'd join Jay.

Most of the people moving into these downtown developments are all coming from other places where they're used to their quiet.. cricket chirping sounds at night...and think that in CANADA's largest city...they can somehow capture and retain that by turning it into 1 huge small town. Ridiculous. The problem is that most of these new condo developments are looking to attract the young couple,person who's a jet setter, urban lifestyle looking individual who'll enjoy the surroundings, clubs, bars, etc... but what they're actually getting are older folks (baby boomers) who have all the $$$ to purchase them ..some deciding to sell their 905 houses now that the kids have left and would like to live in the city close to all the amenities. They're the ones complaining.

As for the TTC, when I used to work the night shift out by kipling I would jump on the train...and it was virtually empty everynight. Their just isn't enough riders in general to justify an all night service. I am in favor of extending the hours, spreading out the frequency at which they run, but we all see that they're struggling for ridership on an overall daily basis. Let alone at night.

so the CIRCA nightclub project is not scraped yet eh

http://northernyonge.blogspot.com/

hmmmm. Have last call at 1AM and close the bars at 3.. give ppl two hours to dance and sober up afterwards. As I said earlier, make water more accessible during these hours (instead of charging an arm and leg).

Abolishing last call is the slippery slope to more drinking and driving, and other alcohol related issues, imo.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden hmmmm. Have last call at 1AM and close the bars at 3.. give ppl two hours to dance and sober up afterwards. As I said earlier, make water more accessible during these hours (instead of charging an arm and leg). Abolishing last call is the slippery slope to more drinking and driving, and other alcohol related issues, imo.

How? abolishing last call means no more power drinking. It means that people wont be forced to drink excessive amounts in a short time. It means that people can leave at all hours of the night, not all at the same time.

All night booze works in most of the world and it would work here. Last call PROMOTES drinking and driving by kicking drunk people out at the peak of their intoxication.

Nah, I think most ppl don't drink excessively during that last call.. they may want to get their hands on that last drink but in terms of drinking excessively? Now, if a bartender is giving someone who orders seven shots that many, then we have a problem

I don't think we can simply compare what happens here to what happens in other parts of the globe .. there are cultural differences.. heck, even alcohol potency varies among countries. Open alcohol is permitted in other parts but prohibited here.. so there are differences for sure.

what I think is brutal, however, are bars that stop serving at 2AM but then they kick you out right after anyways. Quite often you see ppl with that last drink, and then the bouncer comes by to kick you out. You should be able to chill with that drink knowing full well you have a good two hours to finish it.. hence my logic. Maybe someone can come up with something better? I can't think entirely straight right now, the Sens lost

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH London's subway only runs till 12 if I'm not mistakem. 2.30am should be the maximum. 24/7 is unrealistic. Subways should be running 30 minutes after last call. After that it's unnecessary, unless they run every 30 minutes and only like 2-3 cars.

it's funny you mention that cuz i believe the London tube actually does shut down earlier than the TTC. the great thing tho is that without last call i end up partying till around 5-6 am when it starts up again lol..

either that or everything seems to be within walking distance there for some reason

in Berlin the subways ran 24/7 but at 20-30 minute intervals like you said. it wasn't bad since you knew exactly when they were coming and they would almost always arrive on time so you could basically plan the night out in advance.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden Nah, I think most ppl don't drink excessively during that last call.. they may want to get their hands on that last drink but in terms of drinking excessively? Now, if a bartender is giving someone who orders seven shots that many, then we have a problem I don't think we can simply compare what happens here to what happens in other parts of the globe .. there are cultural differences.. heck, even alcohol potency varies among countries. Open alcohol is permitted in other parts but prohibited here.. so there are differences for sure.

I think a BIG part of those differences is a lack of last call to begin with. So its not engrained in the culture to play "beat the clock" every night at the bar.

For the record, most of those countries that dont have last call also have higher potency limits for booze. Yet we are the ones with the issues...

hmmmmm i see a trend here.. fewer regualtions = more self regulation perhaps??

Re: Re: last call..

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Originally posted by Jayx1 this is why we should not extend last call. We should ABOLISH IT completely.Then people will come and go from clubs naturally. What's interesting is that pretty much any "problems" that exist today in clubland actually stem from artificial government intervention.

i actually agree with you here. it seems sometimes that a lot of people don't realize that N. America is actually the exception to the rule by instituting last call. Is it actually proven that last call reduces alcohol related crimes?

Nowhere is this more apparent than in other parts of the world. I always notice when I'm traveling abroad that people aren't always out to get wasted when they hit a nite on the town. many people seem to just drink casually at their own rate. i know i did.

lol, go to East London or Germany, etc. Downtown Toronto is tame compared to some of those alcohol ridden places. As for drinking and driving, it doesn't help that we're a car-dependent country with so much suburban sprawl with it too.

And who knows about the drinking and driving rates.. I've heard horror stories overseas, and how the lack of policing that occurs there sometimes. Comparing models isn't that easy.

and we haven't even touched on alcohol related violence. As I said, go to England, Germany, Russia, etc.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden and we haven't even touched on alcohol related violence. As I said, go to England, Germany, Russia, etc.

lol.. one word: football

hip hop

Hey, you guys leave Russia out of this. It's on a whole different level when it comes to drinking. It's not fair to compare it to like Germany.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hey, you guys leave Russia out of this. It's on a whole different level when it comes to drinking. It's not fair to compare it to like Germany.

Psht. :P Point is they're all insane when it comes to sports. Hell even my home country is crazy...there is a thread on here about a stabbing at a tennis match.

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