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Right now, roughly a quarter of China's exports go to the US, while only around 15% of the US's imports come from mainland China and only 6% of the US's exports go to China. I'm not arguing that both would be at a loss without the other, but currently China seems much more dependent on the US than vice versa. Although China's economy is growing and becoming less dependent on the US, China ($2.7 trillion GDP) has a ways to go before it is on par with the US ($13.2 trillion GDP).

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Originally posted by EvilTree China does need that trade surplus with US to fuel its war machine. In a way, China needs US more than US needs China. US can turn to other nations for products.

How long will it take to rebuild whole infrustructure in "other nations" for that?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Right now, roughly a quarter of China's exports go to the US, while only around 15% of the US's imports come from mainland China and only 6% of the US's exports go to China. I'm not arguing that both would be at a loss without the other, but currently China seems much more dependent on the US than vice versa. Although China's economy is growing and becoming less dependent on the US, China ($2.7 trillion GDP) has a ways to go before it is on par with the US ($13.2 trillion GDP).

I know people just want to see the US empire fall. Thing is that it won't because our empire isn't built by borders. It's all economic and most commies/socialists don't understand economics.

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Originally posted by star-traveller How long will it take to rebuild whole infrustructure in "other nations" for that?

We aren't talking about importing from Africa Jose. We are talking about Latin America that we can take even more advantage of or other Asian nations that have the infrustructure already there.

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Originally posted by star-traveller How long will it take to rebuild whole infrustructure in "other nations" for that?

In a global economy?

Not as long as you might be thinking...

Read: The World is Flat - Thomas L. Friedman and you'll understand why

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Well sweatheart. The days are over when Russia was considered important. It isn't and never will be. China is the power the US is concerned with most because they pose a greater threat than you drunken robbing Russians.

Come on, man, grow out of your silliness. Russia will not go away. Russia is filthy rich in resources, and always will be. It will rebound. The lands that have the resources will win in the end. And Russia is armed with a massive nuclear arsenal that can wipe out the 1-billion Chinese army in a matter of hours. No fear.

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Originally posted by venomX I don't think so. China owns most of the US debt. China produces a lot of the products the US imports.

alright dude, stop right there.

as of the end of March 2007 China owned $420 billion in Federal and public debt mostly in T-bills. by contrast Japan owns and has owned much more at over $600 billion. total of all foriegn owned invested debt represents around 80% US public debt minus Social Security obligations i believe. now compare that to our annual GDP.

THEY DO NOT OWN MOST OF OUR DEBT.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Come on, man, grow out of your silliness. Russia will not go away. Russia is filthy rich in resources, and always will be. It will rebound. The lands that have the resources will win in the end. And Russia is armed with a massive nuclear arsenal that can wipe out the 1-billion Chinese army in a matter of hours. No fear.

So the US will always be around? We have a lot of natural resources left untouched and these are in LARGE numbers. And they are also easier to extract than in Russia. So haha the US wins again. Plus in the future the world won't be dependant on natural resources. So it doesn't even matter who has what. And yeah you say this when is China going to attack Russia? When the Russian population is mostly older than 40 and the young generation won't be able to hold back any army the size of China. It's true just wait and see. China will take Siberia.

well, perhaps china can start chipping in to peace-keeping ventures around the world with their new-found military might.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid So the US will always be around? We have a lot of natural resources left untouched and these are in LARGE numbers. And they are also easier to extract than in Russia. So haha the US wins again. Plus in the future the world won't be dependant on natural resources. So it doesn't even matter who has what. And yeah you say this when is China going to attack Russia? When the Russian population is mostly older than 40 and the young generation won't be able to hold back any army the size of China. It's true just wait and see. China will take Siberia.

Who would've thought 20 years ago that Russia will have woes demographically it has today? Things can change just as easy in the next 20 years. China can collapse as well. You may never know. You dont know the future. China is a dictatorship. Dictatorships are destined to fall, sometimes violently if they dont let go. Russia let go, and is rebuilding. China's turn is next.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Who would've thought 20 years ago that Russia will have woes demographically it has today? Things can change just as easy in the next 20 years. China can collapse as well. You may never know. You dont know the future. China is a dictatorship. Dictatorships are destined to fall, sometimes violently if they dont let go. Russia let go, and is rebuilding. China's turn is next.

China has been rebuilding and at current pace. They will be consuming half the worlds concrete and steel. They are growing. And I put my faith in the civilization that has existed for over four thousand years and invented gunpowder, paper, compass, paper money, cannon, steel, modern rubber. Can you name me what Russia has produced to change the world for the good? If i can remember correctly they didn't send the first man into space. Yuri was never into space and the Russians cheated and lied to the entire world. Russia is bound to fail. Their border will go back to the European Russia.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid China has been rebuilding and at current pace. They will be consuming half the worlds concrete and steel. They are growing. And I put my faith in the civilization that has existed for over two thousand years and invented gunpowder, paper, compass, paper money, cannon, steel, modern rubber. Can you name me what Russia has produced to change the world for the good? If i can remember correctly they didn't send the first man into space. Yuri was never into space and the Russians cheated and lied to the entire world. Russia is bound to fail. Their border will go back to the European Russia.

China actually has a huge demographic problem, more threatening that Russia's actually. You see, Russia is not threatened by lowered population. China, on the other hand, needs more and more food, resources and such to feed and grow itself. If food or economic crisis ensues, Chinese will starve, collapse, will be forced to do something rather extreme. Face it, China has many internal problems as well. You are not seeing the full picture. Russia only needs a massive and perfectly functioning eyes-wide-open nuclear arsenal and its future is set and secure. China will need Russia and other nations to feed itself. It will even try to stab away at the pipelines that feed and make our North American lifestyles possible, bud. China's industry and economy is far from levels that are in Russia, in USA per capita. Imagine when the real growth levels hit, real problems will emerge ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium China actually has a huge demographic problem, more threatening that Russia's actually. You see, Russia is not threatened by lowered population. China, on the other hand, needs more and more food, resources and such to feed and grow itself. If food or economic crisis ensues, Chinese will starve, collapse, will be forced to do something rather extreme. Face it, China has many internal problems as well. You are not seeing the full picture. Russia only needs a massive and perfectly functioning eyes-wide-open nuclear arsenal and its future is set and secure. China will need Russia and other nations to feed itself. It will even try to stab away at the pipelines that feed and make our North American lifestyles possible, bud. China's industry and economy is far from levels that are in Russia, in USA per capita. Imagine when the real growth levels hit, real problems will emerge ...

Once again, China has over 4 000yrs of history. I am almost certain that China can take on Russia. And it might have to in order to feed and grow itself. Also China is copying many techniques in refining and agriculture + defense to put itself up to par with Russia and the US. Plus, Russia has an increasing AIDS epidemic that the government is ignoring. I can see a strong Russia but an even stronger China in the future.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Once again, China has over 4 000yrs of history. I am almost certain that China can take on Russia. And it might have to in order to feed and grow itself. Also China is copying many techniques in refining and agriculture + defense to put itself up to par with Russia and the US. Plus, Russia has an increasing AIDS epidemic that the government is ignoring. I can see a strong Russia but an even stronger China in the future.

We'll see, we'll see. Opinions are opinions, we'll see who was right in the next 50 years or so ;-) But China always outnumbered Russia, and was beaten by Russians before and it took them many centuries to finally get a nation together (with help of communists). I think China will suffer a political, economic or a demographical crisis in the next 40 or so years. When their standards of living will expand, they will no longer be able to have the same system. Everything will change. Mostly for the worst. Just think of everything different from today in China, opposites considered, and wonder ...

It seems rather pointless to argue whether China could beat up Russia because they wouldn't try. China does not and has not engaged in wars with outsiders unless they have felt directly threatened by invasion (thus the reason they helped the North Koreans) or to reclaim land they believe is theirs (Tibet). China has never had imperialist tendencies and would not engage in a military conflict with Russia - but they would lose if they tried.

Going back to the argument about ABMs and security. The US policy to begin implementing ABM security measures was never meant to compromise Russian security, as the limited deployment of ABMs could never stop the number of Russian nuclear weapons, but only those of countries with smaller arsenals (such as China).

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