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Originally posted by beats and beeps what kind of table is that? is it one of those "jerkers" that everybody seems to have?

Just beware... it's basically not possible to sit at the perfect monitoring position with those desks. My Jerker is sitting out in the shed

Assuming you have your monitors 3 feet apart, you need a desk about 130cm deep.

nice setup djdirty

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Originally posted by DJDIRTY I'm running a PC with cubase sx 3 - rme multiface soundcard connected spdif to apogee convertors for recording and monitoring - to SPL volume controller and to Dynaudio BM6'a monitors. Here is the rest of the setup..

DJDIRTY, let me ask something (correct me if I'm wrong anywhere):

It looks like you have approx 7 hardware synths (from what I can see in the picture). Since the RME is 8in/8out, then I can only assume that you have these 7 connected to the RME via TRS. Then you are going S/PDIF out to the Rosetta 200.

Everything that comes in the RME is then routed to the Rosetta via S/PDIF to your monitors?

Since the RME is only 8 in/out, then you'd only have 4 stereo pairs, how are you connecting all your hardware to that one interface?

If the above statements are true then:

1. How you you get recorded audio into your computer through the Rosetta?

2. Isn't the RME doing the initial Analog to Digital conversion? If so, how is it advantageous to have the Rosetta in the signal chain?

Forgive me is these seem like dumb questions, I'm just not familiar with your setup.

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Originally posted by Eric J DJDIRTY, let me ask something (correct me if I'm wrong anywhere): It looks like you have approx 7 hardware synths (from what I can see in the picture). Since the RME is 8in/8out, then I can only assume that you have these 7 connected to the RME via TRS. Then you are going S/PDIF out to the Rosetta 200. Everything that comes in the RME is then routed to the Rosetta via S/PDIF to your monitors? Since the RME is only 8 in/out, then you'd only have 4 stereo pairs, how are you connecting all your hardware to that one interface? If the above statements are true then: 1. How you you get recorded audio into your computer through the Rosetta? 2. Isn't the RME doing the initial Analog to Digital conversion? If so, how is it advantageous to have the Rosetta in the signal chain? Forgive me is these seem like dumb questions, I'm just not familiar with your setup.

Hi Eric.

I'll answer your question nr2, first.
In my rme soundcard I use 1 trs stereo out - which I run to my other computer's soundcard stereo in. I use a spectrum analizing software on the other computer in real time. And another stereo pair goes to another set of monitors - that I keep at fixed volume and use it for a/b mixes. I also use the RME headphone out for monitoring thru headphones, when everyone is asleep.
The A/D and D/A conversion is done by Rosetta which in my opinion based on listening tests between the two is far superior to my RME's converters.

Question nr1.

I record all of my synths thru the rosetta, which than sends digital signal using SPDIF to the RME, completely bypassing RME's converters. Same happens when I monitor/and playback anything from cubase - RME sends digital signal to the Rosetta using SPDIF out, and than the Rosetta does the final conversion bypassing RME converters.
I also mentioned in one of the posts that I use the Summing mixer before Rosetta's converters.

Now let me try to explain how it's connected.

All my synths are connected to the summing mixer (Pheonix Audio Nicerizer 16). Summing mixer has 8 stereo xlr connectors, 7 of my synths are connected that way. Using XLR balanced cables audio signal is than routed to the rosetta where ADC takes place and signal is than routed digitally using SPDIF to the RME sound card and cubase. From here the signal is sent using RME mixer in few directions. Stereo playback for headphone monitoring of entire mixes as well as whatever is going in. Stereo out using trs jacks to the other computer for real time spectrum analizer use. And another stereo trs out to another set of monitors, which I keep at fixed volume for a/b the mixes. Using SPDIF digital signal travels from RME to rosetta SPDIF inn, where final conversion D/A conversion is made. Than using xlr balanced cables signal is sent to SPL volume controller, and from there XLR to my main monitoring (Dynaudio Bm6a's) Using the software mixer in the rme, I have it set up so I can Re-record everything in real time to another audio track - whatever is playing in cubase. It's like a internal loop. Another thing is, that Nord lead 3 besides running into the summing mixer - is connected to the virus TI inn's for additional sound manipulation, same goes for my JP8080 which is connected to the virus c inputs. The summing mixer has an additional output which is routed into my hardware sampler - so I can sample any of my hardware synths in real time and whatever cubase is playing. The summing mixer is a class A design, giving 26db of volume boost and a interesting stereo expender option, that can be used to add some analog harmonic distortion to the signal. And it really helps if some of the synhts have a weak output signal. One other thing, I also forgot that I have another stereo out of my rme going back to the summing mixer, this way I can run any of my software synths or the entire mix thrue the summing mixer. But that requires me to change a preset in the RME internal mixer. So the routing is changed when I wanna do someting like this, and changed back when I don't use it. I think that's all. I had a diagram somewhere done on my computer, if i find it i'll post it up for you to see.. One last thing, My RME soundcard is clocked to rosetta's internal clock using a BNC cable..

OK, that makes sense, it was the summing mixer that I was missing in trying to figure out your signal chain.

I was looking for prices on that summing mixer, but they do not appear to have any distributors that display pricing. How much did that nicerizer 16 run you?

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Originally posted by Eric J OK, that makes sense, it was the summing mixer that I was missing in trying to figure out your signal chain. I was looking for prices on that summing mixer, but they do not appear to have any distributors that display pricing. How much did that nicerizer 16 run you?

Here is a link for one of the distributors in US.

HERE

I got my of a friend who needed a 48 input board. And he sold his 6 month old unit to me. basically brand new - not a scratch on it. Half price - got a good deal since we're friends for a long time.

Nice! Thank you, I couldn't find a price anywhere. Pretty good deal getting that for half price, its not exactly a low cost piece of gear. I would have jumped at it myself.

Sorry for the technical question, but is correct that to connect the monitors to an interface like a Motu are needed cables that are usually used for guitars, microphones or headphones? Trs Jack (m?) to xlr female cables are also not that easy to find here around, have probably to order them or check a guitars shop.

No one has a reply? Do I need a Mogami quality cable or is enough a less reputed TRS - XLR-F cable? I am going to notice a difference or I will get the best out of my system (Motu 828 mk2 with Dynaudio Bm5 speakers) even with a normal cable?

Build your own cables. It's cheaper, and you can buy higher quality components. Nothing like nice Neutrik connectors.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps What would bring me closer to hearing higher quality sound? Running cubase at a higher sampling rate? or getting better monitors?

Get rid of that earwax ..

I make my own cables. I buy cable and connectors from a small local wire warehouse. They sell in bulk to TV stations, radio stations and custom installers. I can make mogami grade cables for 3 times less money. Also, knowing soldering is a useful skill.

If you don't know what the smell of your own burnt flesh or hair smells like--- you're not a real solder-er.

Lol

Or if you're not addeicted to smell of soldering flux.

Re: the difference it makes

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Originally posted by beats and beeps right now I have an m-audio 2496, krk rp5s, and I record at 44khz 16bit. If i upgrade my soundcard to an audio interface, like motu 828mk2, will I still hear an improvement? Is it worth it?

yes it is, some companies invest more on their components for example my motu worked 10x better then my m-audio firewire. They have better dacs and what not.

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