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EDM is watered down to attract crowds who calls everything techno.

more quality control should be done by the digital purchase stores..everyone and their mom has a label now.

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Originally posted by Nayil EDM is watered down to attract crowds who calls everything techno.

And everyone knows it as drug music. I hate people that listen to EDM just because it enhances their high. What kind of drug addict are you if you need music to do your drugs!

You are to blame for listening to said radio shows and mainstream DJs, not the other way around.

The genre of trashy pop is in all realms of music, including you're beloved EDM. If you can't find a decent radio show or DJ set on the internet... you're not looking hard enough, bottom line.

The pop EDM scene serves some purpose, it probably grabs some listeners who would have otherwise ignored EDM. Many of us started listening to garbage but its our responsibility to move on and dig deeper.

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Originally posted by SMC Hope is a sweet track, however for me it's all about Autumn Radicals.

so true! Maybe "bedroom producers" are killing trance but damn there are alot of great tunes also as this one

The things that kinda is annoying about how watered down it mainstream EDM is tthat at my school, I was the literally the only person that listened to trance and house, well except for everyone who knew like sandstorm or whatever and thought that they were legit. Everyone started to catch on to the music I was listening to, and naturally, like almost every genre, they got the mainstream things first, and now thats the only thing they listen to, and I'll give them some really good underground type of stuff and they will hate it. Obviously the main stream is there to catch people and get them into the genre, but the problem, or at least as it appears to me, is that there is no link from that to underground and more hardcore one might say music.

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Originally posted by Subtle Definitely.. Trance (and the likes) is damn easy to make.. and people new to it will accept those shitty "uplifting" trance by number tracks, so people continue recycling the same shit over and over again.. totally shadowing the real gems out there. Forcing the people who appreciate more than a happy melody, driving percussions and formulatic arrangements into smaller and smaller groups.

Dissapointed to read this from you. Trance is not all that easy to make. It's just that at a certain point in time, some labels decided to sign all this crap wannabe Trance music. You've proven yourself wrong by mentioning ASOT and Sean Tyas and defining that as Trance. The Trance I like is definetely not so much easy to make. Sure, maybe it's easier than making a deep tech-house track, but making a real Trance track is definetely not as easy to produce, as you make people believe it is.

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Originally posted by epdarks You are to blame for listening to said radio shows and mainstream DJs, not the other way around. The genre of trashy pop is in all realms of music, including you're beloved EDM. If you can't find a decent radio show or DJ set on the internet... you're not looking hard enough, bottom line. The pop EDM scene serves some purpose, it probably grabs some listeners who would have otherwise ignored EDM. Many of us started listening to garbage but its our responsibility to move on and dig deeper.

+1

no way some random is gunna find hidden gems ... u gotta start somewhere

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Originally posted by AirPole Dissapointed to read this from you. Trance is not all that easy to make. It's just that at a certain point in time, some labels decided to sign all this crap wannabe Trance music. You've proven yourself wrong by mentioning ASOT and Sean Tyas and defining that as Trance. The Trance I like is definetely not so much easy to make. Sure, maybe it's easier than making a deep tech-house track, but making a real Trance track is definetely not as easy to produce, as you make people believe it is.

No.. It is not, i think every genre in EDM is as hard as another when it comes to making it sound good.

My statement is against the "new" trend of trance, and not trance itself.

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Originally posted by Subtle No.. It is not, i think every genre in EDM is as hard as another when it comes to making it sound good. My statement is against the "new" trend of trance, and not trance itself.

Aye, then we have no problem.

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Originally posted by julien2

Jesus christ, I am so going to have nightmares.

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Originally posted by [mart] Jesus christ, I am so going to have nightmares.

lol you never seen that one before?

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Originally posted by trancedanne lol you never seen that one before?

I don't believe so.

What the fuck is that shirt.

But you see, some of you guys are looking at this the wrong way. Why would we want our precious music to be invaded by the masses and turned into mainstream like we see for hip hop today? A while ago I posted a topic on puroeuro, "what if dance music became top?" the responses here are not much different. And I've always wondered why the lovers of edm, especially in America think like this. I mean that is THAT one thing that i love as a bonus along with my passion for edm, its that if you like edm its not fake and not because its on the radio, its because you REALLY like it. It makes our love for the music THAT much more pure.

And i also think that that washed down stuff you mention is actually the way MANY people get into edm, i know because I was one of them. The stuff we listen to in our later stages of the music is not enough for the newbs to understand imo. They need that little push euro, hardstyle and cheese gives them. I mean before I was listening to storyteller, sultan and thomas penton I only knew daft (which will be my fave artists of all time, forever), lasgo and cascada. If they get turned of it is really because they don't love it enough to dig deeper.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 There is some really good melodic progressive house and breaks out there, and some trance, but there's also a lot of crap. You just have to look elsewhere, other than stuff being released as of late on Armada, Anjunabeats and Euphonic. Toes In The Sand, Tilth, Pure Substance, Existence, Morrison...those are all good labels. And as far as trance, there are still some decent stuff out there. The best recent trance track IMO is "Hope" by Lemon & Einar K. I wish there were more like that. Something can still be melodic and uplifting, without sounding cheap.

Yeah thats a good tune. Nothing new but nice melodies nevertheless. I also dig Daniel Kandi (from Anjunabeats lol)! He has a similar sweet melodic style in his tracks. Unfortunately though all these trance sounds are a bit overplayed. If producers could vary the sounds a bit and play with the tempo instead of having the classic steady boring trance bit,and instead of having the simple catchy and hooky lead-line maybe work on the melodies even more (since trance has gone to a melodic direction from 96, then the logical step would be to get even more melodically complex...even symphonic...art-trance or math-trance anyone?!?) melodic trance could be re-invented...slightly at least. The case for EDM now is surely quantity over quality though, for all genres i believe.

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Originally posted by PETRAN art-trance

Definetely. I'd love to see more artistic innovations and new concepts.

Well I think with prog-psy, there is something "new" to it, and with some of the stuff Markus Schulz used to play and still does to a certain degree. No not the vocal-based pop fluff, but the deeper, dare I say it..melodic progressive stuff. There's to me no other way of calling it anything but deep, progressive melodic trance. What is innovative about it? Well it isn't quite as rhythmic as some of the progressive trance and house out there, but it isn't quite as fast or over the top as epic trance.

The song that defines this is probably Probspot's "Foreplay". Micro de Govia's music is also slightly different than other, traditional epic trance music, as his use of the breakdown and the sounds he uses and structure of some of his music is a little different. He has elements of techno, epic trance, progressive trance, ambient music and maybe a little breakbeat, similar to Chicane (though his use of breaks was way more prominent, esp early on). Another one to note is Kalafut & Fygle....you really can't categorize their few releases as either progressive trance nor epic trance, and certainly not psy or tech trance. And I think Mark Otten's music, with his use of the guitar and his slower (not quite prog though) tempo. His music is definitely not full on dance music, but it's not complete chill either.

I think in the sense that he found his own sound, something deeper, like Leama & Moor's sound....that's different, more complex, yet not so complex that it turns into something so experimental. Now that is not where I think trance should go....the realm of IDM or experimental or minimal techno. Ambient-Trance or Trance-Ambient, well there already is some of that stuff out there, but I've said before in the past, trance really could become a music that isn't just for dancing to, but could really work well (and does) in a listening-chill environment, think Chicane....slower tempo trance that isn't quite pure ambient music, but isn't really fast, dancey either...almost like Ulrich Schnauss. His music is melodically complex, and although it isn't trance, it sure has qualities that good melodic trance has (dreamy, melodic, ethereal).

That is our reality...

You people worry way too much about what music is mainstream or not.

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Originally posted by Subtle so people continue recycling the same shit over and over again..Forcing the people who appreciate more than a happy melody, driving percussions and formulatic arrangements into smaller and smaller groups.

Small indeed!! There are many people who like other genres of music and EDM but they seem to be in larger numbers. Finding other people that can find the depth, complex subtlety, and multiple moods trance expresses is a hard thing to do. I do admit, I was one of those people who liked the "cereal-box tracks". They were fun to listen to when I had no idea what was good trance.

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Originally posted by Ishkur You people worry way too much about what music is mainstream or not.

True that. Some of the best music of the 70s was mainstream.

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Originally posted by Project-K True that. Some of the best music of the 70s was mainstream.

How much music was being CREATED in the 70's though?? Much less then now....

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Originally posted by Joca How much music was being CREATED in the 70's though?? Much less then now....

Yes. But still some styles were more underground than others.

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