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Originally posted by nefardec that particular (june 4th) one unfortunately is not

You write a whole paragraph hyping it up to the max and making me drool all over my keyboard and it's not even available? Not cool man, not cool.

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Originally posted by Project-K You write a whole paragraph hyping it up to the max and making me drool all over my keyboard and it's not even available? Not cool man, not cool.

hahah yeah!

it's cool, though.. I'll be checking that site, anyways.

Francois K is the fucking bomb. He's mixed more records than you've had hot dinners and it shows.

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ou write a whole paragraph hyping it up to the max and making me drool all over my keyboard and it's not even available? Not cool man, not cool.

haha i am just as disappointed as you!


this brings me to another belief i have:

deejaying is like making love to a lot of people at once




and the longer you go without peaking while still building and building momentum the better it will be. it also applies that you must give the crowd what they want sometimes to receive good feedback from what you want. i think the dj always eneds to be one with the party and nothing separate. this is what kills me with the star-jays whom everyone faces and pumps fists at. i love a party where people are dancing like mad and into each other and the music and the deejay is floating in everyone's consciousness like the sound itself

I'm just focused on really improving my record/music collection.

Im at the point now where I will only pick something if I can imagine myself dancing to it (I mean going crazy) on the dance floor. I'd like to somewhat emulate Carl Cox, in that he doesn't wear out the crowd, but his track selection is energetic all the way through.

The problem comes with my confidence issues, and whether the people will like it or not. Deep down when I think - i think they probably will, because the newer and newer tracks i'm picking out, go hand in hand with the club scene here, and are simply dancfloor bombs. But you never know...and I have a gig coming up.

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Originally posted by Freqnasty Nonsense, fatboy slim has more remixes than the artists mentioned in this thread. Their works in the studio got them more popularity then their dj sets, for example if you have a track then send it to the labels, it gets signed hence your famous.

yes, their productions got their far than their dj-careers. wasn't eluding at anything else.

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Originally posted by Freqnasty Wrong, if you have a great track selection but you can't mix if ur life depended on it, what good is the beasty tracklist?

most people don't care with the shit transitions, it's just the scenesters (and these people are mostly just guys, yunno, the trainspotters and the bedroomdjs) who nitpick transitions inside the clubs. the rest will just dance and listen to the good tracks.

and btw i'm not saying that good mixing skills doesn't get you anywhere, my point was that dj's all over the globe, since the beginning who have played records for a mixed crowd knows that you can rely completely on trackselection and not mix at all because that's what they did in the beginning. in jamaica and in the back in the paradise garage with larry levan. he was awful when it came to mixing, even when he had proper motordriven decks, he was terrible. but he had a trackselection that few could top.

1. pleasing the crowd

Nothing else is important unless you are a turntablist.

Let's Go!

From a listeners perspective here, track selection is top of the pile by far. Whats done with the tracks is very important too though, least to me. Some transitions can almost appear to be completely new tracks and I love that, even managed to accomplish this myself using only traktor 3 on my desktop while making my own cd of tunes and experimenting.
Goes back to track selection though, as im as amateur as they come and do it for kicks and experimenting/learning very basics.

- Keeping the crowd going

That is all.

If you're playing out (club/rave) and you can't mix 2 records together consistently for lets say an hour set you shouldn't be playing out.
Track selection will only take you so far at which point you need to have the technical skills to back it up.
Anyone can play records and mix them poorly. Anyone.

The big 3 of djing are:

Mixing ability - able to beatmatch for more than 16 bars AND able to mix in phase.

Ability to read the crowd - You don't need to going nuts behind the decks but it is imperative to be able to read the vibe in the room
If you do this well number 3 gets that much easier.

Trackselection - know what to drop and when to drop it. ANYONE can play an hour of big anthems. If you want to get recognized for your trackselection you need to be innovative, creative and as unique as the rest of the line-up will allow you to play. If you hear a dj before you play something you were planning on dropping, even if its the biggest record in your bag - don't play it. As someone who has been doing this for the last 9 years I can honestly tell you people in the crowd notice and other DJs notice.

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Mike

well put mike! good post, especially the last point-

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Originally posted by montana yes, their productions got their far than their dj-careers. wasn't eluding at anything else. most people don't care with the shit transitions, it's just the scenesters (and these people are mostly just guys, yunno, the trainspotters and the bedroomdjs) who nitpick transitions inside the clubs. the rest will just dance and listen to the good tracks. and btw i'm not saying that good mixing skills doesn't get you anywhere, my point was that dj's all over the globe, since the beginning who have played records for a mixed crowd knows that you can rely completely on trackselection and not mix at all because that's what they did in the beginning. in jamaica and in the back in the paradise garage with larry levan. he was awful when it came to mixing, even when he had proper motordriven decks, he was terrible. but he had a trackselection that few could top.

they dont have to care, smooth transitions give the crowd momentum when they dance, whena trainwreck comes, they will be wtf? how do you dance to a trainwreck? helpp

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Originally posted by mikeconradi Ability to read the crowd - You don't need to going nuts behind the decks but it is imperative to be able to read the vibe in the room If you do this well number 3 gets that much easier. [/2cents] Mike

very nice

Ability to read the crowd!

Kind of worries me that it actually hasn't been mentioned, until now... It is the one skill you will need over all the others. You don't need to be that good technically, if you can do this. It helps but not essential.

As for the guys mentioned in the thread, these guys are famous for many different reasons. You have to take people like Fatboy Slim and Oakenfold for what they are. They are essentially legends of a different era, you can't take what they have done for dance music away from them.

That said, I saw Oakenfold recently and thought he played a really good set, not sure if this is a one off or the new him. Either way I was impressed. He was reading the crowd and it really worked. He didn't do any of the usual things he is associated with doing i.e. bad mixing etc. He was tight and played an awesome set. Took me by surprise.

Likewise, saw PvD recently and his set reeked of 'I play the same set everywhere I play this month' and it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Did nothing as a spokes person for the new Digital era and I have to say was totally disapointed, and although you can't base a DJ on one performance but if that's what worlds number one, then the industry is really in trouble.
Don't get me wrong, what he was doing was technically very sound but just felt prepackaged.

Read the crowd, please the crowd.... simple once you know how.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Ability to read the crowd!

Definitely, once this happens track selection happens.

Also Nem, was that the gig where you were warming up for pvd and got to have a good look at his set up? Care to elaborate on it all?

Thanks

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Originally posted by Tangil Definitely, once this happens track selection happens. Also Nem, was that the gig where you were warming up for pvd and got to have a good look at his set up? Care to elaborate on it all? Thanks

not really, you could spin whatever you want once you have the crowd set in motion.

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Originally posted by latenightsex not really, you could spin whatever you want once you have the crowd set in motion.

Ummm no because then you'd lose the crowd.

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Originally posted by Tangil Ummm no because then you'd lose the crowd.

wrong, after proper introduction and great buildup, you can play whatever you like, the crowd will dance to anything that has a bassdrum with a 1/4 bar.

for example check out timo mass, where his crowd interaction is so intense nobody realy gives a damn what genre is playing as long as it has a beat. The transitions are so smooth you can see the crowd bounce as the next track comes in

another example, i'v seen djs just stop the record completely and just utter silence comes in the crowd go's nuts, then puts the needle back and back to mayhem

yeah of course, but spinning what you want and getting a good reception means that you thought the crowd might be up for it, that you had read the crowd.

To be able to control a crowd you have to be able to read that they are liking the direction you're going in.

shit accidentally deleted the old post

a good edm dj plays what he wants to play. and waits for the crowds to follow. if they dont follow then play for your own enjoyment at hiome. never change your style/play tracks you wouldnt normally play for the crowd. thats what dj's in pop/chart/cheese clubs are paid to do.

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Originally posted by richg101 a good edm dj plays what he wants to play. and waits for the crowds to follow. if they dont follow then play for your own enjoyment at hiome. never change your style/play tracks you wouldnt normally play for the crowd. thats what dj's in pop/chart/cheese clubs are paid to do.

Well a DJ's job is to entertain and play for the people, if the crowd is not feeling it than he's not doing his job. Club owners wants DJs that can make the crowd pumped and come back to the venue.

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Originally posted by richg101 a good edm dj plays what he wants to play. and waits for the crowds to follow. if they dont follow then play for your own enjoyment at hiome. never change your style/play tracks you wouldnt normally play for the crowd. thats what dj's in pop/chart/cheese clubs are paid to do.

deffinately NOT. Its all about an interaction with the crowd, a dj gets paid to please.

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