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Originally posted by activate Moby's played all old records. he also said that the only reason he was playing records was because he hasn't learned how to use CDJs.

yeah, bizarre.

i wonder if that poster you quoted would respect me more if they knew i encoded every record i buy and usually play it from cd instead when i play out.

unless you're a turntablist or something, it doesn't make a difference what medium you're using, because at the end of the day you're still only pressing a play button and adjusting the pitch control.

Though with digital technology there are other doors that are open to you.

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Originally posted by activate unless you're a turntablist or something, it doesn't make a difference what medium you're using, because at the end of the day you're still only pressing a play button and adjusting the pitch control. Though with digital technology there are other doors that are open to you.

yup...enter year 2000 for me...

everytime I bought an album..my homeboy dl'd it from kaaza, and said "saved 'nother 20 bucks..."

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Originally posted by yellow1 yup...enter year 2000 for me... everytime I bought an album..my homeboy dl'd it from kaaza, and said "saved 'nother 20 bucks..."

well that's another thing entirely.
ripping people off from music and esp. djing with it, and most especially when u know damn well its available for what.... $1, $2? that's just pathetic imo.

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Originally posted by activate unless you're a turntablist or something, it doesn't make a difference what medium you're using, because at the end of the day you're still only pressing a play button and adjusting the pitch control. Though with digital technology there are other doors that are open to you.

Very Well Said ! Very Damn Well said ! so much is said by that statement.

besides, vinyls are so expensive, like 15 bucks per release, when the same release on beatport is under 5. tough choice huh? Whats the cost of CD's? pocket change ! sure the sound quality is better coming from a vinyl, but the difference is so marginal...its like comparing a well encoded Mp3 to Wav or Ogg, you really will barely notice it.

CDJ's will not be replaced by laptops, they'll just be used in conjunction with laptops more often as people learn to adapt with them. i fucking hated traktor, now that i've adapted to it traktor + CDJ's is the better than sliced bread to me. But my preferences dont necessarily speak for the status quo. like Evan said, going digital opens more doors, especially when you're restricted by income to purchase another cd player.

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Originally posted by darouge11 i still dont think that will be the case... i dont think it doesnt get any easier then cds...unless they have all the songs already uploaded onto computer at clubs, which would be impossible....well it could be possible, but highly unlikely

it can get easier... if clubs have an input source for memory keys, you could just play your songs of that... same concept as cds, but different medium.

don't think anyone would rather carry around a CD wallet than a tiny memory key...

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Originally posted by activate unless you're a turntablist or something, it doesn't make a difference what medium you're using, because at the end of the day you're still only pressing a play button and adjusting the pitch control. Though with digital technology there are other doors that are open to you.

very well put.

with stuff like Ableton, yes, you loose the act of beat matching by ear, but then you gain endless possibilities in performance... live mashups, PAs, infinite FX, etc.

imo it adds to the experience when the performer actually uses the features. the only time i have a problem with laptop mixing is when the dj uses it as if its a normal turntable and ignore all the features. the technology shouldn't be used as a lazy mans way out.

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Originally posted by m2j it can get easier... if clubs have an input source for memory keys, you could just play your songs of that... same concept as cds, but different medium. don't think anyone would rather carry around a CD wallet than a tiny memory key...

uh..

Re: the death of vinyl

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Originally posted by yellow1 been hearing it , been seeing it too, friends who had stores are no more...Sam The Record Man will be gone by month's end...2thebeat is gone also...it seems that downloadable content is here to stay...what to do with my thousands of records? hehehehe. ps..apple's itunes is now drm free(like that stopped me b4!!!)

Sam The Record Man focused mostly on CDs and mainstream shoppers...and well...most mainstream music shoppers arn't interested in vinyl (or CDs anymore for that matter).

2theBeat was a whole different story. It didn't close due to lack of vinyl sales. In fact, vinyl sales were up. It was actually 2theBeat digital, the mp3 downloads, that were not profiting. Really though, 2theBeat closed due to the owner's personal reasons.

As far as spinning with vinyl�I love it and wouldn't want to switch. Vinyl is more tactile imo and provides a different DJing expereince. Also, I rarely know the name of the song I'm spinning, I know what the label looks like (I prefer it this way because I'm a very visual person).

Mixing with vinyl is truely an art.
And if enough people love vinyl then it won't die

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Originally posted by m2j it can get easier... if clubs have an input source for memory keys, you could just play your songs of that... same concept as cds, but different medium. don't think anyone would rather carry around a CD wallet than a tiny memory key...

million dollar idea.

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Originally posted by LittlePoonzgirl 2theBeat was a whole different story. It didn't close due to lack of vinyl sales. In fact, vinyl sales were up. It was actually 2theBeat digital, the mp3 downloads, that were not profiting. Really though, 2theBeat closed due to the owner's personal reasons.

I didn't even know about this. I swear I was just in their in April... Now I'm depressed.

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As far as spinning with vinyl�I love it and wouldn't want to switch. Vinyl is more tactile imo and provides a different DJing expereince. Also, I rarely know the name of the song I'm spinning, I know what the label looks like (I prefer it this way because I'm a very visual person). [Quote] Agreed. I find it easier to see where I am in a track by looking at the vinyl grooves. Looking at a waveform on a screen isn't practical, even zoomed in... [Quote] Mixing with vinyl is truely an art. And if enough people love vinyl then it won't die

That's how I learned to spin, and I'm grateful for my russian friend for getting me started. It's a much more intimate way to play music then through CDs or Ableton. I admit it's almost time to pick up a Serato box...

I've seen record stores online like This one in California or This one from Birmingham, ordering from these places is altogether cheaper then me taking the train or driving downtown to a record shop, buying, then going home. That includes shipping.

I'll admit, there's no better way to spend a saturday then to get up, grab a coffee, smoke a joint, then chill in a record store for a couple hours listening to vinyls until I get too hungry...

MO was spinning vinyl thursday at skybar

Vinyl is dead already

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Originally posted by -g- well that's another thing entirely. ripping people off from music and esp. djing with it, and most especially when u know damn well its available for what.... $1, $2? that's just pathetic imo.

agreed, but in the old days, we spun with vinyl and cds, not mp3's that were ripped (off) cuz the sound quality on mp3's suck unless it's a high bit-rate copy (192 kb's or higher copy) copy. spending 1-2 bucks today per legal track is no problem , before we paid 15-20 bucks for a single record. so as you can imagine...the $$$$ added up fast.

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Originally posted by yellow1 agreed, but in the old days, we spun with vinyl and cds, not mp3's that were ripped (off) cuz the sound quality on mp3's suck unless it's a high bit-rate copy (192 kb's or higher copy) copy. spending 1-2 bucks today per legal track is no problem , before we paid 15-20 bucks for a single record. so as you can imagine...the $$$$ added up fast.

At the end the profit is around similar an MP3 vs Vinyl, if you've seen the video on another thread on how vinyl are made you would see that it requires a lot of time, materials, and resources and cost of running a store. Whereas music are produced digitally and are exported via MP3 files so it's just a bunch of bits and bytes and are stored on servers on hard drives.

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Originally posted by Engine9 MO was spinning vinyl thursday at skybar

MO always spins vinyl I rarely see him use CDJs.

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Originally posted by yellow1 agreed, but in the old days, we spun with vinyl and cds, not mp3's that were ripped (off) cuz the sound quality on mp3's suck unless it's a high bit-rate copy (192 kb's or higher copy) copy. spending 1-2 bucks today per legal track is no problem , before we paid 15-20 bucks for a single record. so as you can imagine...the $$$$ added up fast.

you know, one good thing about vinyl being so expensive, was that sets coming from lesser known DJ's in the scene was so much better ! i watched an interview on youtube conducted with a local toronto DJ (i think it was from the 90's/early 2000's, and dont remember his name either) but he was asked how he picked such great tracks, and all he could say was "i don't have a lot of money, so i gotta make every vinyl i buy worth it"

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Welcome to 2006.

Welcome to 1991... when I stopped my DJ business bc they killed the 45.



/oh shit... did I just date myself?

CDs are on the way out as well... but I don't see any reason to ever play MP3s. Are you low on disk space or something?

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Originally posted by MikeyN "i don't have a lot of money, so i gotta make every vinyl i buy worth it"

That's a great quote.

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Originally posted by basilisk CDs are on the way out as well... but I don't see any reason to ever play MP3s. Are you low on disk space or something?

..not really, I have 1 terra byte of drive space and then some... it's the process of converting .wav files from cd's or records into mp3's, it's a six to one compression ratio. therefore the sound is compromised big time. there is a format called ogg vorbis that retains the high fidelity of the source file when converted from .wav etc., but portable ipod players/dj software don't support it yet. you have you use soft players like dbpower Amp etc. so most dj's when spinning cd's, chances the source file is a .wav file, not .mp3.(stuff you find on limewire) High bit mp3's are better (up to 300 kbs) but you will pay for them.

google ogg vorbis and you will see what the pros say!.

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Originally posted by yellow1 so most dj's when spinning cd's, chances the source file is a .wav file, not .mp3.(stuff you find on limewire) High bit mp3's are better (up to 300 kbs) but you will pay for them. google ogg vorbis and you will see what the pros say!.

i agree generally but i wouldn't go so far as to say that.
90% of the shit i get given to me is mp3, and i play it as such.
most other djs do too, if its provided in that format.

if its something given to me as a cdr then of course i expect it to have originated as a wav file, or in the case of buying tracks, then wavs for sure.

I only play WAVs... no sense in accepting anything less, I figure. I am against the use of using any sort of compressed format when DJing simply because disk space is ridiculously cheap these days... but that's just me.

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Originally posted by basilisk I only play WAVs... no sense in accepting anything less, I figure. I am against the use of using any sort of compressed format when DJing simply because disk space is ridiculously cheap these days... but that's just me.

well its slightly different when people send you stuff as opposed to just buying stuff commercially.
it has nothing to do with disc space and everything to do with file transfer speeds and limits.
when artists send entire albums and even just an ep, it can take a long time via wav. its simple more economical.
and if they want to send it to me that way, provided the quality is ok, then that's fine by me. that's certainly how's it done with most things these days aside of physical cdrs and baring ftp accounts.

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Originally posted by DarkAngel Carrying his bag into a club for a gig = needing physical therapy the next day + maximum strength pain killers.

Your friend sounds like a bit of a wuss....

I think as a DJ who plays out it's important to be able to play both vinyl and digital. At the end of the day though, the medium is not the message - as far as DJing goes, anyways.

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