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Posted by Slylee on Jun-14-2007 13:44:

www.myspace.com


Posted by Orbital32 on Jun-14-2007 14:16:

make sure you run plenty of java and flash programs at the same time!


Posted by Orbax on Jun-14-2007 15:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbital32
make sure you run plenty of java and flash programs at the same time!


agreed the web is all about "widgets" embed embed embed. Google website add-ons or web page widgets or gadgets and plaster them EVERYWHERE


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-14-2007 15:43:

i think we are asking for too much for the poor guy. remember his HTML knowledge isn't that great(then again, it can be if he stays committed to it in a week. it's very easy to learn.). In my opinion, he can start off with how HTML works, and why certain things go in certain places to have it displayed a certain way. Then he can move to CSS to format text and manipulate HTML objects. When he gets that down, scripting and maybe some Flash is the way to go for him. we were going hyperspeed for him.

but then again, this is a research website. judging from my experience flipping through some research websites, it doesn't really require much shebang. The most important stuff is the context on the page and links to the sources.


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-14-2007 15:49:

quote:
Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
but then again, this is a research website. judging from my experience flipping through some research websites, it doesn't really require much shebang. The most important stuff is the context on the page and links to the sources.


bingo !!

it's gotta have lots of information, some pictars and some external links. Nothing more. I am not looking for a job of a web designer I am part of the research group and I just volunteered to do this shit because I wanted to learn something new.


Posted by Orbax on Jun-14-2007 16:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
bingo !!

it's gotta have lots of information, some pictars and some external links. Nothing more. I am not looking for a job of a web designer I am part of the research group and I just volunteered to do this shit because I wanted to learn something new.


where are you hosting @@


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-14-2007 16:52:

Gotta think about that now


Posted by Orbax on Jun-14-2007 17:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
Gotta think about that now


download WAMP

Windows Apache MYSQL PHP

or just apache...but either way there are lots of things that will let you host out sites off a home computer. Youll learn valuable skills that way! all that free hosting crap is for noobs


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-14-2007 18:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
Gotta think about that now


hold on. the research group doesn't have that provided for you? do you know if they have their own server? is it part of a research group within a school department? if not, i think you're getting the raw end of the deal here (doing more than what's expected for you). it's pretty easy to setup a web server and the environment to host the web stuff, but i thought you were hired as a web designer, not a web designer/sys admin/computer tech/_insert title here_.

however, it also doesn't hurt to learn new things, and set up a web server.


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-14-2007 19:09:

See I'm basically a mechanical engineer and I'm doing research on vehicle propulsion systems. We are a new research group in the University and we are thinking of putting up a website. I figured it's not gona be that hard to build one. As for hosting, the school has it's own servers and we have student/employee accounts which can be accessed from any network computer on campus. Once you log into your account, there's a folder where you can store all your webpages which can be accessed by a standard http://people.schoolname.edu/~myname link. I just gotta know how to change the name of the weblink to something like http://www.schoolname.edu/auto_research since this will be a website for the lab and not for a particular student or faculty member. Or maybe there's some other way of doing it by hosting the website from a server in the lab. Dunno I gotta figure that out.


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-14-2007 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
See I'm basically a mechanical engineer and I'm doing research on vehicle propulsion systems. We are a new research group in the University and we are thinking of putting up a website. I figured it's not gona be that hard to build one. As for hosting, the school has it's own servers and we have student/employee accounts which can be accessed from any network computer on campus. Once you log into your account, there's a folder where you can store all your webpages which can be accessed by a standard http://people.schoolname.edu/~myname link. I just gotta know how to change the name of the weblink to something like http://www.schoolname.edu/auto_research since this will be a website for the lab and not for a particular student or faculty member. Or maybe there's some other way of doing it by hosting the website from a server in the lab. Dunno I gotta figure that out.


well then that's easy. talk to the IT guy at your school, and see if you can create an account for the username "auto_research", since you say that it invovles just the auto research group. He'll give it you, with a password, and you can log into the account. Bingo!

to start off with making a website, you have to make(or maybe it's already created for you) a new web directory at your user root (/home/u/__name here_). name it ".HTML" or "public_html", depending on what type of web server you guys are running. it looks like all the web setup is there for you. all you need to do is drop your stuff, and you're good.


Posted by Orbax on Jun-14-2007 22:28:

that sounds like a kush job. You gettin paid omega?


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-15-2007 01:36:

I'm getting paid to do research. Nobody's gona pay me extra for the website.


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jun-15-2007 01:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Step 1: Learn (X)HTML

In order to build a website, you need to know the language used to structure them. Orbax already posted the basics, and it doesn't get much harder than that.

Recommended Links:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
http://www.sitepoint.com/subcat/html

Step 2: Learn CSS

So, you found out how to tell the browser where paragraphs begin, and what should be a link. Probably, you now want to make your website look nice, changing the colour scheme, using different fonts, and putting things on their place.

Recommended Links:
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
http://www.sitepoint.com/subcat/css

Step 3: The big bad surprise

I've got to tell you one thing - not all browsers interpret their CSS and HTML the same way. You should consider [url=http://www.google.com.br/search?q=reset+css&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozillat-BRfficial&client=firefox-a]resetting your CSS before doing anything else[/url], and testing your website in as many different browsers as possible.



Edit: Oh, if you need any piece of software, I recommend PSPad.


Talk about overkill you flid. The guy is apart of a fucking research group looking to make a quick and easy website for fuck's sake.


Posted by Orbax on Jun-15-2007 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
I'm getting paid to do research. Nobody's gona pay me extra for the website.


i meant for the research. it sounds kush like youre getting paid to fuck around with cars


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-15-2007 02:17:

I'm a PhD student. My graduation depends on this research + I get paid to do it. I am working on hybrid propulsion technology that aims to reduce the size and power requirements of IC engines in cars. This in turn will help to increase fuel efficiency (upto 70-80 mpg perhaps) + give all the environmental benefits of saving fossil fuels.


Posted by Orbax on Jun-15-2007 02:24:

more lube, deeper stroke. that should be your teams motto.


Posted by Lira on Jun-15-2007 02:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Talk about overkill you flid. The guy is apart of a fucking research group looking to make a quick and easy website for fuck's sake.

I wouldn't have said that if I didn't know he's smart enough to pick it up quite easily... besides he probably knows what he needs and what he might want to skip, and he knows he can count on us for help

You know, I take it you're not used to people thinking highly of you then, are you, Mikey? you sarcastically recommend Microsoft Publisher, and then doubts the learning skills of a very bright engineer with a master's degree. Repressed much? Oh, well, if I ever visit the UK I'm organising a TA Group Hug Meet-Up in Milton Keynes... you certainly need to feel loved


Posted by Orbax on Jun-15-2007 02:33:

lol seriously Lira

I suck at HTML and learned how to use XML, SOAPs, WSDLs, CSS and web services connections in 2 days and that was integrating a unix / oracle system with windows / MSSQL

that was 2 days. Im sure he can learn what he needs to do in less than one.

However, without any understanding of the concept of elements and how they are interacting, it takes a little longer. w3 schools is a great source, but depending on what he is looking to WANT to learn, basic html and a free hosting site with his school will take damn near no time.

At least he knows he has some pretty sweet resources here if he wants to pursue further learning


Posted by Lira on Jun-15-2007 02:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
At least he knows he has some pretty sweet resources here if he wants to pursue further learning

Exactly, that's why I did mention CSS and HTML: If he thinks this is way too complicated for him, he's certainly going to ask for help or something... and I know we can help him out on this one


Posted by Orbax on Jun-15-2007 02:49:

the only thing i was thinking WHOA on is if HTML is a bit of a scare that means using objects, classes, elements, etc is new stuff.

it takes a bit of tinkering in the object oriented world to be able to just walk up to a new language and get it quick.

I really only know .CSS in relation to the platform I develop and how to specifically modify thing like pagefields and tab childs and a bunch of crap that is non standard web elements.

although yesterday i learned that there is an XLS or something that defines the characteristics of XML. Which is weird to me because HTML is the display XML is the info and why would you do XML editing when the HTML is displaying it... they explained it but I still didnt get that


Posted by Lira on Jun-15-2007 03:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
the only thing i was thinking WHOA on is if HTML is a bit of a scare that means using objects, classes, elements, etc is new stuff.

it takes a bit of tinkering in the object oriented world to be able to just walk up to a new language and get it quick.

I really only know .CSS in relation to the platform I develop and how to specifically modify thing like pagefields and tab childs and a bunch of crap that is non standard web elements.

although yesterday i learned that there is an XLS or something that defines the characteristics of XML. Which is weird to me because HTML is the display XML is the info and why would you do XML editing when the HTML is displaying it... they explained it but I still didnt get that

XSL is incredibly powerful, in spite of its simplicity.

XSLT, for example, is able to re-create an XML file without modifying the original file. So, if you want the XML to be organised in a different fashion, you can count on these XSL transformations. I, for example, often use it when I need to convert an XML file to CSV.

XSL-FO and XPath are things I've never really had to use, so I think Wikipedia can do a better job at explaining what they do than I ever could


Posted by Orbax on Jun-15-2007 03:08:

whuhhh you can make CSVs from XSLTs?!?!?!

dude half my jobs is reports


Posted by Lira on Jun-15-2007 03:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
whuhhh you can make CSVs from XSLTs?!?!?!

Well, that's how imported all the data of a 20mb big XML file into a MySQL database
quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
dude half my jobs is reports

Reports?


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-15-2007 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
whuhhh you can make CSVs from XSLTs?!?!?!

dude half my jobs is reports


for sure. that's why microsoft implemented a way for the ability to save word and excel documents in xml files. . i love this, especially for people who love to input all their data in an excel file. i can easily traverse an excel file saved as an xml file to fetch some data.


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