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It's nothing recent but check out The Overlords - Sundown (Ionizer mix) (it's on beatport)
And just on time, Suntrip re-release the Dimension 5 album, "Transdimensional"
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/sut/sut1cd008.html
or
http://saikosounds.com/english/disp...ase.asp?id=6628
the 2nd having better samples
listen to the acidlines, the melodies, the overall feeling. It's brilliant and pure goa. Then listen to some psytrance releases, there's hundreds of samples on the 2 websites I linked there, if you can't hear the difference, you're either Petran or aurally deficient.
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| Originally posted by Ian And just on time, Suntrip re-release the Dimension 5 album, "Transdimensional" http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/sut/sut1cd008.html or http://saikosounds.com/english/disp...ase.asp?id=6628 the 2nd having better samples listen to the acidlines, the melodies, the overall feeling. It's brilliant and pure goa. Then listen to some psytrance releases, there's hundreds of samples on the 2 websites I linked there, if you can't hear the difference, you're either Petran or aurally deficient. |
I gotta find this beast hidden somewhere in my cupboard & dust off the cob webs! Psychic Influence is fucken legendary tune.
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| Originally posted by SMC Well, you just did. We've had this (long) debate before, it would be pointless to repeat the same things all over again. So DON'T BRING IT UP, damn it.  |
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| Originally posted by Ian And just on time, Suntrip re-release the Dimension 5 album, "Transdimensional" http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/sut/sut1cd008.html or http://saikosounds.com/english/disp...ase.asp?id=6628 the 2nd having better samples listen to the acidlines, the melodies, the overall feeling. It's brilliant and pure goa. Then listen to some psytrance releases, there's hundreds of samples on the 2 websites I linked there, if you can't hear the difference, you're either Petran or aurally deficient. |
I think psy and goa is just like math rock and (I think it was classic rock or something)... its just another way of differentiating. They are pretty much the same and hardly anyone can tell the difference. Although I can understand why someone might call things goa or psy I like both and I don't think there are many people who only like one. I also really can't be bothered differentiating so my labels for things are probably wrong :P
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| Originally posted by Ian And just on time, Suntrip re-release the Dimension 5 album, "Transdimensional" http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/sut/sut1cd008.html or http://saikosounds.com/english/disp...ase.asp?id=6628 the 2nd having better samples listen to the acidlines, the melodies, the overall feeling. It's brilliant and pure goa. Then listen to some psytrance releases, there's hundreds of samples on the 2 websites I linked there, if you can't hear the difference, you're either Petran or aurally deficient. |
Dimension 5 - Antidote.
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Because i belong in the petran category, care to explain the actual differences between the two genres rather then the "feelings" and "acid-lines" and such? Or psy doesn't have feeling and acid-lines?Care to list examples of artists for both situations? (especially from the 90s). Strangely enough the current album has a "psytrance" guise in psyshop but i presume they are wrong! And how am i gonna compare these goa-trancers to psytrance since its all psy/goa to me! How am i supposed to find the psy samples and distinquish them from the goa samples? Unless i miss "category selections" in the two shops. |
Personally though I can tell a difference but I don't think it's a huge one. | quote: |
| Originally posted by THE_Chris Thank you Ian, theres an ID in that CD I have been searching for for several years Dimension 5 - Antidote. |
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter I think psy and goa is just like math rock and (I think it was classic rock or something)... its just another way of differentiating. They are pretty much the same and hardly anyone can tell the difference. Although I can understand why someone might call things goa or psy I like both and I don't think there are many people who only like one. I also really can't be bothered differentiating so my labels for things are probably wrong :P |
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| Originally posted by Ian I personally hear stuff & can tell if it's psy or goa quite easily. Goa seems to have a lot more high-end frequencies to my ears, and the kicks are kinda duller in sound, the bassline is the trick on the majority of psytrance. I think the 2 "genres" cross over very well & I don't think they're too far apart either, goa is just a word used less & less by places like psyshop nowadays imo. I just think that the ability to differentiate is helpful at times when people ask what a difference between them is. I simply used your name in your own category cos you seem to come out in discussions like this Personally though I can tell a difference but I don't think it's a huge one. |
psy kicks your face off whereas goa melts it a bit and pink monkies fly out
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| Originally posted by Ste psy kicks your face off whereas goa melts it a bit and pink monkies fly out |
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| Originally posted by Surfmorworkless Old school Oakenfold like 1994-2002 played GOA stuff in his sets.It sounds very different than anything i've ever heard that was considered Psy trance.Only thing is i know of no new producers that make stuff like that anymore. =( |
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| Originally posted by Trancefxs http://www.discogs.com/label/Suntrip+Records |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Today's Psy/Goa is different from early or mid or late-90s Psy/Goa in the same way todays ASOT is different from Ayla back in 97 and Cosmic Baby back in 93. |
I've uploaded 2 tracks in 1 file HERE
track 1 is from dimension 5 and goes until 2:10. Notice the flow of the track, the melody twisting & turning around your mind, and the acidy influence within.
track 2 is a remix of a protoculture tune and is psytrance. the thicker kick/bass is the first evident thing in many psy tunes, the structure of the track how it breaks down (and a lot of artists who decide to add multiple breakdowns in tunes, or just fuck around with the overall structure which goa hasn't got) and overall fx samples designed to add some of the trippyness it naturally doesn't have.
Obviously as mentioned above, there's differences, but for me personally I find goa to be hypnotic & really 'trancey' and psychedelic just is a different take on more orthodox epic trance, just with it's own beat/bassline etc. Obviously it's not, but hopefully u can hear my point 
Faust_UA and Ian, the think is, that, if you noticed, your "Psy" reccomendations were most (if not all) coming from post-millenium artists, and the sound that you suggest as "Psy" is what i call the more full-on post-millenium iron-trance which wasn't so evident in the 90s(or i think didn't exist at all...perhaps Ololiuqui was somehow close but...). What you propose as a strict universal goa-psy difference is nothing more then the one and only genre's revolution in time, branching in various directions and sounds IMO.
Faust_UA, i don't think that Hallucinogen fit well with Astrix, Skazi and Xenomorph, not at all. I can't see how someone can't group Hallucinogen with Total Eclipse and Man With No Name since they had an almost identical sound back in the day! They were almost always featured in each Psy/Goa compilation with those names anyway. Have you heard Hallucinogen's "Twisted" album? Its full of layers and acid-lines and lead-lines and everything. Ofcourse every artist has his/her/their own style. Astral Projection's sound is full of dynamic illuminating cosmic lead-lines, other is more darker and mid-paced like Transwave, and other still is more spacey and "psychedelic" ( like Hallucinogen). Another distinction that i liked more then the Psy/Goa was betwen Israeli more illuminating "Morning" (Astral projection, MFG, Miranda) sound (which was not only Israeli ofcourse) and the European darker "night" sound (Total Eclipse, Juno Reactor, Transwave) but this was very broad and not strict (many artists had some of both).
What i try to say, is the music that you suggest as "Psy", wasn't so evident back in the day, or didn't exist at all. It was the one and only sound, only infused with various ideas and different textures. Thats what made this sound distinctive. Its unity and diversity through-out the world. Not that it matters after a few mushrooms (I don't do that stuff!) or a few hours of this music alone by the way...
All psy has exactly the same bassline.
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J All psy has exactly the same bassline. |
Well obviously not literally all, but if you put together all the tracks with the psy bassline you'll be able to see what they have in common.
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| Originally posted by Ian make it 75-80% and you'd be closer. |
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter Nothing wrong with that. I love how the tune is in the melody. |
There's times when I'm screaming out for something different but there's a select few artists who deliver that & keep me happy
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| Originally posted by Ian I never said there was anything wrong with it There's times when I'm screaming out for something different but there's a select few artists who deliver that & keep me happy |
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