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Posted by AY STAR on Jun-16-2007 22:37:
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Originally posted by edubbz
i heard something about the 7 line being extended to 34st...
i rep the purple line n i hope that isnt just a rumor, would be nice n essential! |
nah its true
its gonna go all the way to the javits center on the west side highway
and the second ave subway is in its first phase of construction as well
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-17-2007 13:56:
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
what exactly are u talkin about ....??
and to south bound, actually there is no socialism in the US thats bs, i dont know where u got that idea from but as far as i know its all based on the idea of pure capitalism (money,power,greed,etc u know the rest) |
OOO that capital;ism is evil, you mean I can work as hard as I want, risk losing all my money, make lots of it and be greedy, wow thats terrible Im going to move to EU where I work my ass off and then give it all back to the govt so they can redistrubute it to all those "refugees' who sit in the cafe all day and bitch about the country thats supporting them, and no Europe does not have it worse than NYC, its equal, if you want to talk about the rest of the USA Ill easily agree, but we rae taxed, feed, surcharged up our you know what all day here, have you looked at your utility bills or cell phone bills lately, check out the charges, do you havge a car, pay insurance, get tickets, go over the bridge, do you pay 3 gov't taxes like I do, if you buy gas or cigarettes Im sure you realuize how we are equal if not worse than a place like Sweden on any given day, and for the guiy who askled what this has to do with global warming, you must not be whatching the news or reading, this is all being done under the guise of saving the environment, and the green lobby is paying lots of money to push this, the same lobby that mandated all those bike lanes in Brooklyn, that took away valuable parking spots,for lanes that I see exactly 1 bike use a week, soory guys to argue politics, I usually dont do that on this board, but Im just sick of charges for everything, some of you who disagree with me bring up very good points, and I dont mean to be condescending just my thoughts, yes I understand saving the environment is important, but when put up against all the issues of the day, its on the bottom of my list
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-18-2007 03:39:
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Originally posted by southbound24
OOO that capital;ism is evil, you mean I can work as hard as I want, risk losing all my money, make lots of it and be greedy, wow thats terrible Im going to move to EU where I work my ass off and then give it all back to the govt so they can redistrubute it to all those "refugees' who sit in the cafe all day and bitch about the country thats supporting them, and no Europe does not have it worse than NYC, its equal |
Equal?? def not, i think you have things backwards... i got family in france and go there often and i can tell you that the quality of life is 10x better then it is in NYC or the US for that matter, we have one of the best healthcare systems in the world which is free, education is free, and working hours are less demanding simply because people arnt workaholics, the goverment does alot for the people which in this case is actually a good thing because everyone gets their fair share and is treated equally. I dunno about the rest of the places in europe but from what i know their way up there as well, more advanced in technology and modern.
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 13:29:
The healthcare issue is a farce, the richest people in the world come to USA for healthcare, because its the best here, with all new technologies, practices, and medicines, and the best mediacl/research universities in the world. Yes there is a healthcare problem for the MIDDLE CLASS 9the poor get Medicaid), and it has to be solved, but noone should talk about the lack of good healthcare, we are world renound. Quality of life is a judgement thing which none of us can argue cause its simply opinio, but you do have a point with work hours and vacations, all Europeans are better off than us when it comes to that, Ill concur. We also must remember that our European friends are subsidized bu the USA's tremendous amount of money we spend on defense and NATO, European governments know the USA is there defense system so they put more towards social services
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-18-2007 18:26:
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Originally posted by southbound24
The healthcare issue is a farce, the richest people in the world come to USA for healthcare, because its the best here, with all new technologies, practices, and medicines, and the best mediacl/research universities in the world. |
your absolutely joking right!?? lol and yes your right the "rich people" come here for that, thats because they're the only ones who can afford it lol... its not a farce its the truth and for your info the US health care system is ranked 37th thats real bad compared to european countries. France is actualy ranked number 1.
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 18:35:
ranked 37th, like polls matter, love to see what anti-american organization ran that poll, ahahahhaha 37, yea France is 1, ahahahhahah lol, best joke of the day, France 1, Saudi Arabia 2, Afganastan 3, Russia 4, i can see it now
Posted by jerZ07002 on Jun-18-2007 18:36:
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Originally posted by southbound24
The healthcare issue is a farce, the richest people in the world come to USA for healthcare, because its the best here, with all new technologies, practices, and medicines, and the best mediacl/research universities in the world. Yes there is a healthcare problem for the MIDDLE CLASS 9the poor get Medicaid), and it has to be solved, but noone should talk about the lack of good healthcare, we are world renound. Quality of life is a judgement thing which none of us can argue cause its simply opinio, but you do have a point with work hours and vacations, all Europeans are better off than us when it comes to that, Ill concur. We also must remember that our European friends are subsidized bu the USA's tremendous amount of money we spend on defense and NATO, European governments know the USA is there defense system so they put more towards social services |
Your absolutely right, if it wasn't for the US defense expenses, europeans would have to spend more on defense. I say we stop providing defense for the europeans, and if they ever get attacked we let them realize that the protection of their way of life isn't free, but it costs americans billions of dollars a year. We would see how liberal europe would be when they realized that shit comes at a price: human life and billions of dollars. It's funny they forget this being the most notorious wars were fought on that continent. And i say this being a democrat!!
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
your absolutely joking right!?? lol and yes your right the "rich people" come here for that, thats because they're the only ones who can afford it lol... its not a farce its the truth and for your info the US health care system is ranked 37th thats real bad compared to european countries. France is actualy ranked number 1. |
your mixing quality of health care provided with the access to those services. The health care provided by american hospitals and such is certainly better. Doctors from all over the world come to the US for education. That should speak volumes about the quality of health care services. However, the overall health care system in the US is graded lower because there isn't access to it by the poor and the some of the middle class.
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-18-2007 19:02:
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Originally posted by southbound24
ranked 37th, like polls matter, love to see what anti-american organization ran that poll, ahahahhaha 37, yea France is 1, ahahahhahah lol, best joke of the day, France 1, Saudi Arabia 2, Afganastan 3, Russia 4, i can see it now |
actually this one does matter, its a fact and is recognized by the World Health Organization, read up on it you might learn something
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 19:04:
wait I just took a poll (8 poeple in my building answered this one), Peugot is the #1 car in the world, France has the best healthcare and the best car
Posted by steven-neil on Jun-18-2007 19:07:
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
Your absolutely right, if it wasn't for the US defense expenses, europeans would have to spend more on defense. I say we stop providing defense for the europeans, and if they ever get attacked we let them realize that the protection of their way of life isn't free, but it costs americans billions of dollars a year. We would see how liberal europe would be when they realized that shit comes at a price: human life and billions of dollars. It's funny they forget this being the most notorious wars were fought on that continent. And i say this being a democrat!!
your mixing quality of health care provided with the access to those services. The health care provided by american hospitals and such is certainly better. Doctors from all over the world come to the US for education. That should speak volumes about the quality of health care services. However, the overall health care system in the US is graded lower because there isn't access to it by the poor and the some of the middle class. |
James...That is bullshit....Unless you mean Europe except for England...
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-18-2007 19:18:
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Originally posted by southbound24
wait I just took a poll (8 poeple in my building answered this one), Peugot is the #1 car in the world, France has the best healthcare and the best car |
o please !! when did i EVER say that France was the number one country in the world?? lol thats nonsense but to laugh about facts that are true is just plain ignorant. How many times have the US made themselves look foolish, this country is so full of itself that its ok for the US to say they are the best lemme repeat "THE BEST IN THE WORLD,THE UNIVERSE!!" for something and take credit for it, yet they are not..... right?? lets make a tally of how many times they have done that, that in itself is a joke !! everyone laughs at it because we know its all bullshyt i live here and i've come to a realization that politicans don't give a fuck about the majority of the US citizens, they rather go fight some war on "terror" then to be helping the poor in this society....
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 19:20:
I would have said England up until they let the Iranians walk all over HER Majesty's Navy, Sir Churchill must ahve turned in his grave, that was a disgrace, but yes Scotland Yard and Blair have been fighting Communism and now Islam terrorists for years, but none are like John Howard
Posted by jerZ07002 on Jun-18-2007 19:22:
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Originally posted by steven-neil
James...That is bullshit....Unless you mean Europe except for England... |
if i ever say europe i never mean to include england. in my opinion the brits are pretty different from the other europeans.
plus england has a pretty extensive military presence around the world (if for no reason other than its colonial period power)....but still the US spends 4.06% of its GDP on military, and the UK spends only 2.4% which comes to billions more.
oh, and to whomever said that france was more innovative technologically than the US, get a clue. Many of the modern technologies you enjoy have come from the 'evil' US military. US military grants and contracts have produced an enormous amount of new technology: GPS, cell phones, satellite technology and all that comes with it. There has never been another force more influential on technological advances than the US military. On top of that our pharmaceutical industry is second to none, our research universities are the best in the world, and our citizens can back up their claims with actual evidence.
Posted by steven-neil on Jun-18-2007 19:26:
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Originally posted by southbound24
I would have said England up until they let the Iranians walk all over HER Majesty's Navy, Sir Churchill must ahve turned in his grave, that was a disgrace, but yes Scotland Yard and Blair have been fighting Communism and now Islam terrorists for years, but none are like John Howard |
if you think that we let anyone walk all over us you are mistaken...sit back and watch the reaction....
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-18-2007 19:40:
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
Your absolutely right, if it wasn't for the US defense expenses, europeans would have to spend more on defense. I say we stop providing defense for the europeans, and if they ever get attacked we let them realize that the protection of their way of life isn't free, but it costs americans billions of dollars a year. We would see how liberal europe would be when they realized that shit comes at a price: human life and billions of dollars. It's funny they forget this being the most notorious wars were fought on that continent. And i say this being a democrat!!
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sure.........and the fact that the US is in major debt isnt a problem as well?? i mean im sure if China really wanted to, they could mess you over just as bad they could take over the world yet they havent. There's alot of problems that the US needs to resolve on their own territories yet they're spending so much on a useless war and giving the world lessons on what a democracy should be like when they don't even have a real one themselves, hypocritical if you ask me. What does that say about your trust in your own government and president?? at this point i find it rather laughable
Posted by SayNoToNational on Jun-18-2007 19:42:
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!! AND I AGREE WITH ENGERY
Posted by steven-neil on Jun-18-2007 19:47:
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
sure.........and the fact that the US is in major debt isnt a problem as well?? i mean im sure if China really wanted to, they could mess you over just as bad they could take over the world yet they havent. There's alot of problems that the US needs to resolve on their own territories yet they're spending so much on a useless war and giving the world lessons on what a democracy should be like when they don't even have a real one themselves, hypocritical if you ask me. What does that say about your trust in your own government and president?? at this point i find it rather laughable |
Yep,,forcing democracy on people aint democratic...
Posted by jerZ07002 on Jun-18-2007 19:55:
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Originally posted by SayNoToNational
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!! AND I AGREE WITH ENGERY |
that's just so stupid it doesn't deserve a real response.
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
sure.........and the fact that the US is in major debt isnt a problem as well?? i mean im sure if China really wanted to, they could mess you over just as bad they could take over the world yet they havent. There's alot of problems that the US needs to resolve on their own territories yet they're spending so much on a useless war and giving the world lessons on what a democracy should be like when they don't even have a real one themselves, hypocritical if you ask me. What does that say about your trust in your own government and president?? at this point i find it rather laughable |
First, i don't agree with the premise for the war, and i don't think the US should be spreading anything (meaning democracy) to any other country. Personally i would rather have someone like sadam ruling his country with an iron fist thereby suppressing the extremists (or having the extremists fighting his) than having the crazy muslim population voting in extremists. democracy only works with an educated population. Furthermore, i would rather the US spending these billions on alternative fuels that can be produced in the US so we could just say, "FUCK the MIDDLE EAST, FUCK VENEZUELA, FUCK NIGERIA, and FUCK RUSSIA."
Second, debt to china isn't as big a deal as you may think. As reliant as we are on china purchasing treasuries, they are even more reliant upon us to purchase the shit they produce. They couldn't just unload the debt because a US recession means a chinese depresssion. Ever hear the phrase, "when the US sneezes the worlds catches a cold?"
anything you say about the US solving problems has nothing to do with the claims you were making before about healthcare and technology. so nice try diverting the conversation away from your misguided opinions and incorrect statements of fact.
Oh, and as a side note, there is really no functioning democracy in the world. The US doesn't claim to be a democracy, uninformed or overzealous politicians claim it to be. The US is actually a republican form of government. Democracy is almost unattainable with populations so great. That said, cities and towns tend to be more democratic.
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 20:23:
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Originally posted by steven-neil
if you think that we let anyone walk all over us you are mistaken...sit back and watch the reaction.... |
Im still waiting, but knighting Rushdie, was a good start, I must admit
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070618164324.minbd9dd&show_article=1
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-18-2007 20:27:
o by the wayStop attcking people who want to drive, no more fees, no more taxes, no more anything, bring back capitalism, back to the original thought
Posted by jerZ07002 on Jun-18-2007 20:31:
haha...i like how they kill each other in protest....maybe they should protest all the time until they wipe themselves off the map.
but on a serious note, what the hell is with muslims and getting offended at everything other countries do?? They need to stop being such pussies about everything. Fuck muslim sentiment!! I'm sure they can care less about what the americans and british feel about decisions they make. This is the definition of hypocraZy.
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-19-2007 00:24:
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
oh, and to whomever said that france was more innovative technologically than the US, get a clue. Many of the modern technologies you enjoy have come from the 'evil' US military. US military grants and contracts have produced an enormous amount of new technology: GPS, cell phones, satellite technology and all that comes with it. There has never been another force more influential on technological advances than the US military. On top of that our pharmaceutical industry is second to none, our research universities are the best in the world, and our citizens can back up their claims with actual evidence. |
if you were referring to me when did i ever say france was technologically superior? i don't deny the fact that the US is far ahead but what i was trying to say was that Europe is more advanced and modern in terms of way of life.... not in the advancements of satelites or military technology. If you ask any tourists what their first impression when coming to the US to visit is how primitive the way of life is here, the whole idea of "freedom" in this country is very shocking to people, and the harsh differences between the rich and the ghetto areas.
Posted by southbound24 on Jun-19-2007 00:54:
primitive, wow u dont even deserve a response, stupidity talks for itself
Posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 on Jun-19-2007 02:02:
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Originally posted by southbound24
primitive, wow u dont even deserve a response, stupidity talks for itself |
yea your right it does.... lol everytime i think about how stupid some comments like that can be i'll make sure to think of you
Posted by jerZ07002 on Jun-19-2007 03:21:
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
if you were referring to me when did i ever say france was technologically superior? i don't deny the fact that the US is far ahead but what i was trying to say was that Europe is more advanced and modern in terms of way of life.... not in the advancements of satelites or military technology. If you ask any tourists what their first impression when coming to the US to visit is how primitive the way of life is here, the whole idea of "freedom" in this country is very shocking to people, and the harsh differences between the rich and the ghetto areas. |
This quote is where you said france is more technologically advanced (page 3):
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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
............I dunno about the rest of the places in europe but from what i know their way up there as well, more advanced in technology and modern. |
It's nice that a french person admitted that americans are better at something, because in this case we clearly are. And what does primitive way of life mean?? If you are referring to the fact that there is a disparity between rich and poor, well that's the incentive system we have. This system is the reason this country has been the most innovative over the last 100 years. This is also the reason you are in this country. If you want to live off of government handouts that's fine. But for the most part people in this country don't. And those that do are the ones who deserve it the least. Maybe they need it the most, but our system is based on merit.
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