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Originally posted by Slylee that's not true at all. my mom did a pretty good job of explaining that stuff to me, but i was hypersensitive as a child with an extremely wild imagination. so yea...sometimes ur just born weird and fucked up. lol

lol yes i agree. not saying that EVERYONE will take to the molding the same way. its a generalization and of course there are always exceptions to them. your a great example!

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Originally posted by XaNaX Really the question to ponder is why do we as humans find it entertaining to watch movies and play games where the main theme is killing and hurting other people? I dunno...I'm just as guilty as anyone of goin on a shooting rampage with the minigun in GTA and killing a bunch of innocent people lol. Maybe its a way for us to live out things that we know are wrong and would normally never do.

this has always been an interesting phenomenon to me too. dont get me wrong i have fun playing the shoot'em up games. i just dont really understand that either.

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Originally posted by Slylee true. but i can't stand watching UFC or boxing. i hate violence like that in the flesh...video games are different though obviously.

overall UFC is boring to me...but once in a while i like to watch it..although its hard to because im not a violent person.

Well I certainly can't speak for any of the sweet ladies, or perhaps for any of the duderinos either, but fuck - well before the days of GTA and Manhunt, PS3 and Xbox360, I had a sandbox, and I used to spend hours with my friends reenacting some pretty violent shit in the backyard with yoy guns and action figures.

I really don't think video games are bringing much to kids that they haven't been exposed to for years already - and at the risk of sounding utterly redundant, if parents are actually parenting their kids, we shouldn't have any issues here.

I wonder if Rockstar sent Jack Thompson a pre-release copy for reviewing purposes.

i used to smash Matchbox cars with huge rocks and set fire to my barbie's hair when i was 7 years old, and look at me... i turned out alright.

yea ur right. it's all in the parenting now that i think about it.

but i mean, that just gives the video game industry a free ticket to keep creating these really disturbing, weird, violent games for teens to play? i dunno, i'm torn.


lucid, i wish we had been friends during our barbie days. i used to make them do it, and u used to set her hair on fire. hahaha

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Originally posted by Slylee but i mean, that just gives the video game industry a free ticket to keep creating these really disturbing, weird, violent games for teens to play? i dunno, i'm torn.

How is that any different than allowing authors to write about what they want to, musicians to sing about what they want to, or allowing any other kind of artist to express themselves however they care to?



I don't know, for me as an American, the issue is one over the first ammendment. I'm not familiar with UK civil rights, so I don't know what applies to this situation there.

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Originally posted by Slylee lucid, i wish we had been friends during our barbie days. i used to make them do it, and u used to set her hair on fire. hahaha

lol, i was never huge into Barbie, but i was obsessed with My Little Pony. my best friend when i was a kid had a huuuuge Barbie collection, so she used to bring all her barbies over to play with my ponies.

i know that sounds wrong, but it was totally innocent.

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Originally posted by RJT How is that any different than allowing authors to write about what they want to, musicians to sing about what they want to, or allowing any other kind of artist to express themselves however they care to?

touche'

i hate saying that, but yea, u have a point. nevermind.

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Originally posted by Slylee touche' i hate saying that, but yea, u have a point. nevermind.

Dude - I don't mean to imply that I thought it was weird you didn't already think that, I think a LOT of people still don't necessarily think video games are an artform.

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Originally posted by RJT How is that any different than allowing authors to write about what they want to, musicians to sing about what they want to, or allowing any other kind of artist to express themselves however they care to?

Yah, the only difference I can see is with video games the kid is the one playing it and is the one doing all those acts of violence. With movies, books, etc they are watching or reading about some character doing it

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Originally posted by XaNaX Yah, the only difference I can see is with video games the kid is the one playing it and is the one doing all those acts of violence. With movies, books, etc they are watching or reading about some character doing it

I guess, but it's rarely the individual controlling the game who is actually engaging in the activities, much in the same way that when one reads a book, what they "see" is their own interpretation of events the characters are engaging in.

If anyone wants an idea of what the game is like, here's a summary of the only posted review so far:

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/wii/ga...020611187444040

Looks gooooood.

These god damn violent video games and the evil rap music make my blood boil. The government should ban em all

The U.S. is jumping on the bandwagon with an "Adults Only" rating, here's an editorial on it from the afore-linked blog:

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Earlier today, I broke the disappointing news that Manhunt 2 was deemed too harmful for an overprotected British public, pushing back the progression of civil liberties several decades and making me wonder if I lived in the UK or communist China. With that in mind, it seems that America has no intention of being left out of the overreaction happy fun party as the ESRB has seen fit to slap an 'Adults Only' rating on Rockstar's much maligned boogeyman-in-DVD-form. While slightly better than an outright ban, the move will see popular chains like Wal-mart refusing to stock the game and will have a significant impact on Rockstar's earnings while movies like Hostel 2 will hit theaters with no such crippling restrictions in place. Many thanks to the ESRB who have pitched in and helped the illogical and childish enemies of the games industry pop another ill-gotten feather in their caps. We all appreciate it very much. Seriously, on behalf of gamers everywhere, thank you for making the quest for games to be viewed without prejudice and bias all that more difficult. Meanwhile, in the UK, the European wing of the Destructoid collective will continue to fight the BBFC's decision to ban the title. Stay tuned for news of a new campaign that will soon be unleashed so gamers may provide some much needed balance to the ridiculous demonization of our favorite hobby. I think I speak for all the sane ones among us when I say this - the bullcrap's getting ridiculous.

I don't necessarily think it's as bad as this individual thinks, but it is definitely a shame when considered in conjunction with the recent "Gore-ror" fad in movies.

Meh.

lucky for global markets then isnt it? order from overseas and you're set.

classifications are necessary, but i havent played a game yet that i think should be banned.

the interviews i've read from the ESRB have said that they will never rate a game higher than M based simply on violence. The only thing that can cross this line is sexual content, which of course, this game contains. Is Take Two shooting itself in the foot to make a stand for artistic freedom?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lucky for global markets then isnt it? order from overseas and you're set. classifications are necessary, but i havent played a game yet that i think should be banned.

Region coding, however, will make that an absolute pain in the ass for the average gamer.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit the interviews i've read from the ESRB have said that they will never rate a game higher than M based simply on violence. The only thing that can cross this line is sexual content, which of course, this game contains. Is Take Two shooting itself in the foot to make a stand for artistic freedom?

I honestly don't know - maybe, but my guess is that the old saying "any press is good press" will ring true, and they'll at least make a fair amount of loot off the initial offering.

If the game is consistently well reviewed (as it was in the only review posted so far), I think they'll do alright with it.

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Earlier today, I broke the disappointing news that Manhunt 2 was deemed too harmful for an overprotected British public, pushing back the progression of civil liberties several decades and making me wonder if I lived in the UK or communist China. With that in mind, it seems that America has no intention of being left out of the overreaction happy fun party as the ESRB has seen fit to slap an 'Adults Only' rating on Rockstar's much maligned boogeyman-in-DVD-form.

I don't believe that we're "overprotected", this is the only video game i've ever heard of that has been banned.

I was in Virgin megastores today and I saw a kid who must have been about 5 years old getting his mum to buy a bunch of playstation games for him. One of these was Vice City - Grand Theft Auto, the Grand theft auto games have been some of the only games i've managed to play all the way through when i borowed my mates playstation and having a kid at the age of five seeing the things that you do repeatedly in the game makes me quite anxious.

Fair enough, it's slightly cartoony graphics but it must cause some form of desensitivity to someone at that age, especially when the kids will spend more time in front of a television than being parented. It's a mixture of the ignorance of parents and the violence in the games.

When you're killing monsters or dragons or whatever, fair doos, obviously it's easy to differentiate between reality and computer games at any age, but as graphics get better and you're killing more and more things that look human it might be easier for a child to become violent or frustrated especially when the parents are paying little to no attention to them and actions on television is how they're being taught to behave

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan I don't believe that we're "overprotected", this is the only video game i've ever heard of that has been banned. I was in Virgin megastores today and I saw a kid who must have been about 5 years old getting his mum to buy a bunch of playstation games for him. One of these was Vice City - Grand Theft Auto, the Grand theft auto games have been some of the only games i've managed to play all the way through when i borowed my mates playstation and having a kid at the age of five seeing the things that you do repeatedly in the game makes me quite anxious. Fair enough, it's slightly cartoony graphics but it must cause some form of desensitivity to someone at that age, especially when the kids will spend more time in front of a television than being parented. It's a mixture of the ignorance of parents and the violence in the games. When you're killing monsters or dragons or whatever, fair doos, obviously it's easy to differentiate between reality and computer games at any age, but as graphics get better and you're killing more and more things that look human it might be easier for a child to become violent or frustrated especially when the parents are paying little to no attention to them and actions on television is how they're being taught to behave

One thing you may want to note is that the passage you quoted in your post was a post from some random gaming douchebags blog (although, the source is in general a fairly respectable gaming publication), so it's full of his asynine opinion that may or may not be a completely irrelevant.

Beyond that, I agree with pretty much everything you said - it's all about the parenting, censorship is balls.

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan I don't believe that we're "overprotected", this is the only video game i've ever heard of that has been banned.

you must be new to gaming then

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan I was in Virgin megastores today and I saw a kid who must have been about 5 years old getting his mum to buy a bunch of playstation games for him. One of these was Vice City - Grand Theft Auto, the Grand theft auto games have been some of the only games i've managed to play all the way through when i borowed my mates playstation and having a kid at the age of five seeing the things that you do repeatedly in the game makes me quite anxious. Fair enough, it's slightly cartoony graphics but it must cause some form of desensitivity to someone at that age, especially when the kids will spend more time in front of a television than being parented. It's a mixture of the ignorance of parents and the violence in the games. When you're killing monsters or dragons or whatever, fair doos, obviously it's easy to differentiate between reality and computer games at any age, but as graphics get better and you're killing more and more things that look human it might be easier for a child to become violent or frustrated especially when the parents are paying little to no attention to them and actions on television is how they're being taught to behave

it made you feel "anxious"? why?

i dont remember feeling like a helpless little brat when i was a kid. why, as we get older, do we view children as helpless cretins that need constant parenting in every aspect of their lives? hell, by the time i was 7 i knew more about gaming and PCs than my dad did; yet i would've been the target of being told what i could play by the govt? fuck that.

i dont agree that improving graphics make things any worse. graphics is all about relativism. when i was a kid, we were convinced that



was batman sure, batman looks better now, but someone in 10 years time will say 2007 batman looks crap.

you're right though, gaming is all about parenting, and government's should label games so parents can make an informed choice. but it fucking infuriates me when mediums of other explicit content don't have the same controls. when games first started coming out they might have been for kids, but us original gamers are now adults and its bullshit to infringe on our gaming rights. you dont see anyone banning porn now do you? whats the difference?

if im ever unfortunate enough to have kids, they'll be able to play whatever the fuck they like. games arent reality, and any average child can tell the difference.

I totally agree with everything you've just said.

I've not got any real right to criticise this but games shouldn't be used as an alternative form to parenting. I'm not really giving the game makers a hard time here, it's just parents who go out their way to buy this stuff.

You're right, nobody is banning porn, but nobodies parent is going out to buy their children a porno when "the lastest and most vivid in porno entertainment" has been released. It's not the same.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN games arent reality, and any average child can tell the difference.

your sig states that hope is the denial of reality.

yet, i can definitely see a kid hoping to stick a screwdriver in the back of some pimp to get some pay dirt and then actually doing it and obtaining his PimpCash in a video game.

was Raistlin wrong or are you?

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Originally posted by Masonious your sig states that hope is the denial of reality. yet, i can definitely see a kid hoping to stick a screwdriver in the back of some pimp to get some pay dirt and then actually doing it and obtaining his PimpCash in a video game. was Raistlin wrong or are you?

hope is the denial of reality = (paraphrased) go through life with your eyes open, keep an open mind but don't get swindled by bullshit or unsubstantiated nonsense or "hopes".

so im not getting how that quote is at odds with what ive posted.

sure, a kid MIGHT emulate what they see in a game. but that's the price, we as a society, must be willing to accept in order to receive the benefits of particular activities. we're all ready to accept road deaths so we can have vehicles. objectification of women so we can have porn. drink driving, violence, poor judgement, bad mixing so we can have alcohol. etc etc etc.

the above should be limited as much as possible, but you can't take the worst case scenario as a reason for banning anything. its illogical and completely inconsistent.

i was trying to make that sound more bullshit than it was. it was a joke. fail.

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