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If you don't like protests move to fucking China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn If you don't like protests move to fucking China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion.

there's a difference between voicing an opinion and being a nuisance

This is bullshit. Like everyone else has already stated, blocking off highways and railroads is just pissing people off, and even the little sympathy people had..its gone now. Where do we put a stop to this??

All this claiming the land is just BULLSHIT! Are we gonna start going back now 3000 years and see which people owned which land and start protesting and blocking highways and railroads all across the world?? Seriously, they need to fuck off and use the time to look for a damn job.

Sitting on their ass protesting, getting drunk, getting high, and not getting a an education is not going to get them very far. For whoeever said that they don't have the same opportunities....HAHA STUPID!

They don't pay taxes and get FREE education. If you can't succeed by getting this type of treatment, then you truly deserve to be poor and have nothing.

And these select few, give all the other natives that actually succeed in life a bad name. This does nothing but confirm the stereotype!

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Originally posted by Time2Burn If you don't like protests move to fucking China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion.

I think plane tickets are too expensive. Today I will go to the airport terminal and protest. I will also say I have access to guns and will not be afraid to use them. I am sure that would last long....RIGHT

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew there's a difference between voicing an opinion and being a nuisance

Yes and that difference lies in the opinion of the person you are talking to.

I guess ANC protests in South Africa that helped abolish apartheid was a nuisance too.

*edit* I would also suppose that Universities consider student protests to freeze or lower tuition rates a nuisance aswell.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn If you don't like protests move to fucking China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion.

It's not what you say, but it is also how you say too.

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Originally posted by EvilTree It's not what you say, but it is also how you say too.

EXACTLY
no way in hell idiots blocking public highways, or blocking anything at that matter will get much support or respect

yes they ARE nuisance, and Time2Burn's comparison to uni. students is far fetched - protests like that are peaceful in all senses of this word

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew and Time2Burn's comparison to uni. students is far fetched - protests like that are peaceful in all senses of this word

That example is just to show that opinion differ. This is not an arguement about peaceful vs. violent protest.

How bout the South Africa example... If you didn't already know South Africa based their apartheid "homelands" on Canada's model for Native Indians.

I dont care what the cause is or who these protestors are. If you threaten society with the use of force and cut off their transportation links then you are a terrorist. And terrorists need to be dealt with with either the SWAT team or the army.

The natives may or may not have a valid point. But that is not the issue. The issue is how our province continues to let these terrorists get away with harming our society.

Our country actually allows the blocking off of streets for protest if done properly (and with out threats and arms) so there are no excuses here.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp Its time for these double standards to stop. if it were any other group in canada blocking off highways and rail lines, they would be arrested.

A-fucking-men!

I cant deal with double standards. It's time to treat these natives the way anyother group would be treated if such a thing was ever staged.

Ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar A-fucking-men! I cant deal with double standards. It's time to treat these natives the way anyother group would be treated if such a thing was ever staged. Ridiculous.

Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group.

OPP reopens Highway 401 after deal with natives

This does not seem to be over yet...

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group.

Dont recall the incident, but if they did, then its not fucknig ok either.

police need to deal these kinds of thing. not tolerate it.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group.

truckers didnt threaten force and it was a rolling blockade that was over within hours. Yeah that was also a piss off but we didnt have teamsters threating society with guns.

Big difference there.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn If you don't like protests move to fucking China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion.

There is a difference between free speech and civil disobedience.

There's also a difference between legitimate grievances and identity politics.

Seems that the many on the left have serious trouble recognizing those differences. Not surprising when one starts with a foundation of moral relativism though. It's a very short leap from saying that all value systems are equal to saying that all behaviour is equal and all complaints are valid.

Anyway, folks, don't blame the OPP, at least don't blame them 100%. They just take their orders from McGuinty. The way McGuinty has chosen to respond to recent problems with the Aboriginal population is to pay them money to buy the land which they explicitly claimed was not in dispute, and spend yet more of our tax dollars on advertising. He gave specific orders to the OPP not to interfere.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 truckers didnt threaten force and it was a rolling blockade that was over within hours. Yeah that was also a piss off but we didnt have teamsters threating society with guns. Big difference there.

Moreover it was about rising gas prices which generally has wide spread public support. Overall we are very uneducated about Native issues (myself included) and judging from most responses most opinions are based on stereotypes.

Threating force is one thing actually using it is another. Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not.

Now that's an interesting statement coming from you. Definitely one that I don't recall ever hearing you apply to counterterrorism measures.

Here's a question: isn't all violence meant to bring about some kind of social change? Seems to me that part of the issue is what sort of social change one is interested in bringing about. In this case, I can't see anything remotely positive.

Of course it also matters who the violence is directed at, but I'm not even going to go there.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 cut off their transportation links then you are a terrorist.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Moreover it was about rising gas prices which generally has wide spread public support. Overall we are very uneducated about Native issues (myself included) and judging from most responses most opinions are based on stereotypes. Threating force is one thing actually using it is another. Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not.

If truckers had blocked highways and threatened to use guns you can be damned sure that it wouldnt have lasted long.

I didnt support the truckers blockades either but their strategy was much less confrontational than people in bandanas and bellaclavas shutting down major arteries and threatening anyone who comes close to them with violence.

Apples and Oranges

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Originally posted by DigiNut Now that's an interesting statement coming from you. Definitely one that I don't recall ever hearing you apply to counterterrorism measures. Here's a question: isn't all violence meant to bring about some kind of social change? Seems to me that part of the issue is what sort of social change one is interested in bringing about. In this case, I can't see anything remotely positive. Of course it also matters who the violence is directed at, but I'm not even going to go there.

Using violence to change society is exactly how radical islamics try to justify their jihad on the west.

Coming from radical islamics or natives, to me its the exact same crime and needs to be dealt with in the exact same manner. You threaten our society with violence? You get arrested.

Hey Jay, easy with the sensationalism here.

How you could compare a bunch of Natives to Radical Islam is beyond me.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Hey Jay, easy with the sensationalism here. How you could compare a bunch of Natives to Radical Islam is beyond me.

Im not comparing the scale of action. Im comparing the action itself. Threatening to use violence against the law and order of a society deserves punishment regardless of who you are.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group.

Let's not forget the farmers last year with their tractors.

Still a big difference. Radical Islam makes it a point to kill innocent people. These guys just said that they have weapons for protection so people don't resort to violence against them. Hell. They could be bluffing for all you know.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Still a big difference. Radical Islam makes it a point to kill innocent people.

I think these guys have also made it a point to kill innocent people if they got in the way. And actually to compare them to radical islam, they also feel the need to cover their faces when tryingt o force their cause.

Cowards

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