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i would say get technics also. you buy them once, and you have turntables for the rest of you life.

it's like the difference between kia and honda. doesn't matter how many options and amenities come standard in a kia, it's still a kia. you're not going to get the same build quality, reliability, or resale value as a honda.

if you prefer to drive a kia, or feel that it's a better value for what ever reason -then that's on you.

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Originally posted by aLviNx80 Bullshit +1 Probably your friends didn't take care of their shit.

Ahh, you fanboys always crack me up

Believe it or not, I've read about techs breaking on these very forums by the people that come here - and you'd think they would know how to handle their equipment.

Bottom line - there is no such thing as foolproof technology, sooner or later something will always break. That's not to say the techs aren't reliable but they are not indestructible either.

Stantons or Numark for extra features, Technics for solid build quality.

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Originally posted by the_gamemaster Stanton Warriors for Technics quality.

My thoughts exactly.

Yeah exactly. Have you been into a club recently? The 1200's are all beat to hell, and in many cases, don't work properly. They aren't that indestructable.

And as for resale value... 1200's are definately still the best for that, but that is changing with so many people selling off their decks.

I'm quite sure the Stanton ST-150 is a good deck. It's been out for a long time now, and I haven't heard too many rumblings about it.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Ahh, you fanboys always crack me up Believe it or not, I've read about techs breaking on these very forums by the people that come here - and you'd think they would know how to handle their equipment. Bottom line - there is no such thing as foolproof technology, sooner or later something will always break. That's not to say the techs aren't reliable but they are not indestructible either.

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Originally posted by BinaryUnison the Stantons have a higher torque motor which has a more solid feel, as a result they apparently don't last as long, especially with scratching.

what kind of bullshit is that?? apparently to you maybe

i got Stanton T.120C and I played on Techics 1200 several times, even done a side-by-side comparison T.120C vs SL1200 and i tell you ppl - I'LL NEVER TOUCH A FUCKING SL1200 AGAIN. my friend compared both and said that buying a Techics SL1200 nowadays is a waste of money. unless I want to listen to Lewis Armstrong vinyl all day lol

and that extra torque gives you so much more freedom and precision

Is everyone on fucking crack or something?

1200's are the industry standard for a reason.

I've played on 1200's from 1983 used in a club environment before and guarantee you (as once a Technics service engineer) that in 2020 you won't be able to find a working stanton (or any other brand) TT that has been used even in bedroom use.

The whole Torque argument is absolute bullshit. What are you going pull you 4x4 up a hill with it or something?

You're playing delicate records on them. 1.5kg/CM is surely enough to push round 200g of plastic?

Seriously, even in a club, if you service your techs every year, don't spill beer in them (too often), and don't let drunken muppets use them like fisher price's "my first decks" then they will outlast you.

Stantons, are crass knock off's that try to wow people with more colours and don't forget more Torque (oooh).

When you've taken a few technics apart you really realise the quality of the engineering.

But it's not 1983 anymore.

Nobody is denying that 1200's are proven quality decks.

But just because they are quality decks, doesn't mean that the competitors decks are crap and shouldn't even be considered. Maybe we should dissect an ST-150 and see what makes it tick... the thing is a lot heavier than a 1200, so it must be pretty solid.

And 1200's have their own issues... Why the hell did they never make the cords replaceable (and so easy to damage)? The ground wires are super-cheap and break easily (the ST-150 has a groundless design, no ground cables needed). Until the MG5, you have to disassemble the deck to replace the pitch slider.

A lot of the features of these higher end decks are compelling besides torque: Integrated pre-amps (should you choose to use them), key-lock, varying speed settings, reverse...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Is everyone on fucking crack or something? 1200's are the industry standard for a reason. I've played on 1200's from 1983 used in a club environment before and guarantee you (as once a Technics service engineer) that in 2020 you won't be able to find a working stanton (or any other brand) TT that has been used even in bedroom use. The whole Torque argument is absolute bullshit. What are you going pull you 4x4 up a hill with it or something? You're playing delicate records on them. 1.5kg/CM is surely enough to push round 200g of plastic? Seriously, even in a club, if you service your techs every year, don't spill beer in them (too often), and don't let drunken muppets use them like fisher price's "my first decks" then they will outlast you. Stantons, are crass knock off's that try to wow people with more colours and don't forget more Torque (oooh). When you've taken a few technics apart you really realise the quality of the engineering.

^^^ yeeaaaahhh!!!!

i have to take my techs to a shop to replace the crappy ground cables. To be honest, go with what you like and remember that in this industy, you get what you pay for!

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 But just because they are quality decks, doesn't mean that the competitors decks are crap and shouldn't even be considered

Exactly! Stanton and Technics have produced quality decks. They do about the same thing.. Just go with whatever you prefer or can afford at the time.

I hate that people think just because Cds & Ableton are coming in - Vinyls dead. What kind of closed mind is that? I use all 3 methods and in the end its not about the deck. Its how you use it.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 But it's not 1983 anymore.

Shit, is it not? well thanks for clearing that up. People are always so helpful on this forum. Give yourself a biscuit.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Nobody is denying that 1200's are proven quality decks.

Er.....Schizophrenia....

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Yeah exactly. Have you been into a club recently? The 1200's are all beat to hell, and in many cases, don't work properly. They aren't that indestructable.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 But just because they are quality decks, doesn't mean that the competitors decks are crap and shouldn't even be considered. Maybe we should dissect an ST-150 and see what makes it tick... the thing is a lot heavier than a 1200, so it must be pretty solid.

No, it just means they made the base of them out of a cast piece of aluminium. The only advantage of this is might not wobble if bashed, but this is not a problem on correctly set up 1200's so why bother?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 And 1200's have their own issues... Why the hell did they never make the cords replaceable (and so easy to damage)? The ground wires are super-cheap and break easily (the ST-150 has a groundless design, no ground cables needed). Until the MG5, you have to disassemble the deck to replace the pitch slider.

I have owned 4 sets of 1200/1210's (various models) over the last 10 years and have never managed to damage the ground cord. What are you doing with them? picking the deck up by the ground cord? Also, there is no point having a "quality" ground cord, it only acts as an earth and quality of conduction within the wire is not a factor worth considering. Also, the cords are replaceable! I know (a major) club engineer who replaces the cord whenever they buy new decks (about every 6 months) because he needs longer leads, and it takes him 10 mins.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 A lot of the features of these higher end decks are compelling besides torque: Integrated pre-amps (should you choose to use them), key-lock, varying speed settings, reverse...

Pre-amp...what's the point if you're dj'ing and using a mixer?
Key lock...for those who just can't mix in key....
vary speed settings......because tracks sound really good at +/- 20, and I 'spose it's useful if you can't pitch on on +/-8

My point is the other decks might try to add bells and whistles, but they are usually lower quality copies. Technics got it right first time round which is why in nearly 30 if production the design has only changed minimally.

Wow. Calm down man!

I own 1200 MK5's, they are very nice. I won't be getting rid of them anytime soon.

A heavy TT base means that the decks absorb sound better, reducing the possibility of feedback on club systems. For turntablists, a heavy deck is a good thing. For carrying it, not so much.

Why not make the cords use RCA jacks like every other audio product on earth? Replacing them requires soldering. That's retarded. You can't justify Technics decision on that one. Is it necessary, I guess not. Why not solder your earbuds into your iPod and see how you like that?

And key lock doesn't help people who don't mix in key... it helps people who DO mix in key. If you aren't mixing harmonically, than keylock won't help you.

Pre-amps can be useful. What if you have a mixer without enough pre-amps (3 decks)? What if you decide to use your deck to record vinyl into your PC (without going through a mixer)? What if you don't like the way the pre-amps sound in your mixer? It's a convenience thing.

There's no reason Technics couldn't have added some of these things considering how long they have been around. Truth is, they made so many of them that the MK2's are still sitting around in warehouses and coming out with a new model with substantially better features would make them sit there even longer.

There's has been next to NO R&D from that company. Aside from the 1200's, they've never made any other really successful DJ gear. At least Stanton innovated. That's my point.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Shit, is it not? well thanks for clearing that up. People are always so helpful on this forum. Give yourself a biscuit. Er.....Schizophrenia.... No, it just means they made the base of them out of a cast piece of aluminium. The only advantage of this is might not wobble if bashed, but this is not a problem on correctly set up 1200's so why bother? I have owned 4 sets of 1200/1210's (various models) over the last 10 years and have never managed to damage the ground cord. What are you doing with them? picking the deck up by the ground cord? Also, there is no point having a "quality" ground cord, it only acts as an earth and quality of conduction within the wire is not a factor worth considering. Also, the cords are replaceable! I know (a major) club engineer who replaces the cord whenever they buy new decks (about every 6 months) because he needs longer leads, and it takes him 10 mins. Pre-amp...what's the point if you're dj'ing and using a mixer? Key lock...for those who just can't mix in key.... vary speed settings......because tracks sound really good at +/- 20, and I 'spose it's useful if you can't pitch on on +/-8 My point is the other decks might try to add bells and whistles, but they are usually lower quality copies. Technics got it right first time round which is why in nearly 30 if production the design has only changed minimally.

+1

wtf ppl... get your hands on a pair of Stanton ST.150/T.120C turntables and compare them with old fart Technics 1200 before making a judgement.. it's like a new Toyota Camry compared to an old BMW 3 series... you are just SO outdated if you still think SL1200 are the best

if you have been working on Technics tts for a 100 years that doesnt mean Stanton tts are inferior...that just means that Technics tts were the best for 99 years until came Stanton ST.150/T.120C. face it and stop acting like a mystic cult

get whatever at the end of the day they are just turntables.





i use technics myself though. straight arms look ghey.

12xx and st-150... that's pretty much it imo

i have a lot of respect for the stanton st-150, but i personally own technics m3ds...

not all are stanton tonearms are straight. and you know... if you think of it for a while... "straight" and "ghay" doesn't blend very well huh? lol ))

in fact the tonearm of ST.150/T.120C is identical to the Technics only juuuust a lil better)

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Why not solder your earbuds into your iPod and see how you like that?

unless you mean solder the plug into the headphone jack, the analogy makes no sense. soldering the plug to the headphone jack doesn't affect your ability to listen to music from the ipod... it just means you can't detach the cable anymore.

same thing w/the techs. you just can't detach the cables. i remember reading somewhere that rca jacks on the techs, and using your own cables would lower the signal level coming out of the turntable. i don't know how true this is tho...

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What if you don't like the way the pre-amps sound in your mixer? It's a convenience thing.
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i agree w/the convenience thing... but i feel that it's safe to assume that what ever preamp a TT comes with is gonna be a piece of trash. good enough to get the job done of playing the track... but it's definately not something i would use for sampling, or ripping vinyl.

definatlely upgrade your dj mixer, or it's time to buy a real phono preamp, if you think your TT's preamp sounds better than your dj mixer.

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Aside from the 1200's, they've never made any other really successful DJ gear. At least Stanton innovated. That's my point.

hahaha... so true about technics. i don't agree w/stanton "innovating". to me they added bells and whistles. maybe the quality of their products have improved also... i'm not about to waste my time, or money finding out... but none of the feature they have added will make a bad dj, a good one. none of that stuff will make a beginner sound like a pro. techs won't do that either... even there are people who have a use for the extra stuff the stantons offer, i garuantee you that 99% of those people are not as good as they think they are. like all of the people who have to have mixer w/FX (like the djm600)

no matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. just more stuff a fool can use to make a fool out of himself.

different strokes for different folks i guess...

NO DOUBT NUMARK HAVE GREAT INNOVATION IN THIS soo i go with numark all the way

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Originally posted by sr126 unless you mean solder the plug into the headphone jack, the analogy makes no sense. soldering the plug to the headphone jack doesn't affect your ability to listen to music from the ipod... it just means you can't detach the cable anymore. same thing w/the techs. you just can't detach the cables. i remember reading somewhere that rca jacks on the techs, and using your own cables would lower the signal level coming out of the turntable. i don't know how true this is tho... What if you don't like the way the pre-amps sound in your mixer? It's a convenience thing. i agree w/the convenience thing... but i feel that it's safe to assume that what ever preamp a TT comes with is gonna be a piece of trash. good enough to get the job done of playing the track... but it's definately not something i would use for sampling, or ripping vinyl. definatlely upgrade your dj mixer, or it's time to buy a real phono preamp, if you think your TT's preamp sounds better than your dj mixer. hahaha... so true about technics. i don't agree w/stanton "innovating". to me they added bells and whistles. maybe the quality of their products have improved also... i'm not about to waste my time, or money finding out... but none of the feature they have added will make a bad dj, a good one. none of that stuff will make a beginner sound like a pro. techs won't do that either... even there are people who have a use for the extra stuff the stantons offer, i garuantee you that 99% of those people are not as good as they think they are. like all of the people who have to have mixer w/FX (like the djm600) no matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. just more stuff a fool can use to make a fool out of himself. different strokes for different folks i guess...

+1,000.

At last someone speaking the truth.

Having said that, not exactly true about technics never making anything else that was good - The exception to that was the sh1200, which for a long period was the truntablists battle mixer of choice, and smoked everything else until vestax upped the anti a couple of years later.

I too have trouble with the whole bell/whistles/FX thing. Listen to someone like cox or sasha (before ableton) and then try to justify the need for all the extras.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN +1,000. I too have trouble with the whole bell/whistles/FX thing. Listen to someone like cox or sasha (before ableton) and then try to justify the need for all the extras.

i agree 100%. you know, this is why i'm so vehemently anti pioneer. to me, zabiela's newer stuff just sounds like utter cacophony, like all this [zing zang beep bop] ... sounds like so many doorbells fucking ecah other or something.

i like a nice, simple, elegant, judiciously chosen loooooooong smooth mix. some effects are ok, granted, but the djm800 is going to create a breed of undertrained jocks who rely on bips and bops to mask their lack of confidence in the pure, simple, golden mix.

which is also why i can't stand to hear sasha "mix" with the maven... the transformation of mixing into on-the-fly mainpulation, in my opinion, amounts to the destruction of our craft, even as it's demonstrably pompous and just silly.

isn't stanton made from oem parts?

^ thats not a good thing

Nearly everything is made from OEM parts

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Originally posted by spdandpwr isn't stanton made from oem parts?

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