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Oh, and I think that Beatport are right fucking cocks for writing this...

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Hippy ideals? Maybe, but the fact is unlike techno, drum & bass or house, trance creates a direct emotional response in the right environment.

You have to have some sort of emotional response in order to get up and dance, so I guess at Techno, DnB and House nights the crowd just sits on the floor with their legs crossed and stares into oblivion.

The Unfold Mix Cd was outstanding, the greatest trance mix cd in a long long time. It wasn't even all that much psy anyways.

Armin and Tiesto and A&B and the like fun and I'm sure they can rock a club with the best of them but J00F is really the only trance DJ worth paying attention to these days IMO.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid loved it, I think one day if I decide to try to get my stuff released, I'll send it to j00f first.

same here

Agree with the man.

Especially the part about the names that producers used to choose. Nowadays everybody wants in under his own name.

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Originally posted by idoru Oh, and I think that Beatport are right fucking cocks for writing this... You have to have some sort of emotional response in order to get up and dance, so I guess at Techno, DnB and House nights the crowd just sits on the floor with their legs crossed and stares into oblivion.

+1 that comment was rediculous. In fact I've been more entranced at prog/techno nights than I ever was at a trance night, without drugs too.

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Originally posted by idoru Oh, and I think that Beatport are right fucking cocks for writing this... You have to have some sort of emotional response in order to get up and dance, so I guess at Techno, DnB and House nights the crowd just sits on the floor with their legs crossed and stares into oblivion.

But I love Beatport, I purchase all my mp3's from them lmao.

pssh

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Originally posted by idoru the part about Sander

Thanks to that, I've officially decided J00F is about as smart as the majority of people who post in MD.

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Look, I agree with him when he talks about trance becoming formulaic, about people concentrating on vocals and riffs and breakdowns and the like in a particular order everytime, but as someone who has earned every little bit of respect he has in the right way, I fail to understand why every single interview of his reeks of his apparent hatred for current 'trance' music. If he hasnt been bothered to jump on the bandwagon like the others he mentions, or produce one top40 track now and then for the moolah, or be generic and copy-pastic everytime, then why in hell is he so constantly and consistently bothered about how the trance scene is? How does it make a difference to him?

Besides, he said it himself that it was called trance because it made you feel as if you were in a trance, took you on a trip etc etc, so how is it necessary that only the music he likes does it for everyone?

@Idoru
Whether you like his music or not (I for the most part don't), but you have to agree when he says SVD is original. He comes up with absolute garbage as Direkt Dizko and Grasshopper but it IS original.

I have enormous respect for JOOF, as a producer and for his label, and one of the things I love most about him is his I give a fuck for anyone else. Pretty rare in today's trance scene. So John, give a fuck for how the present state of trance is. Do your thing.
Cheers.

Fair play to JOOF for saying what everyone already knows but the bottom line is the generic and formulaic stuf he talks about still churns out REAL quality all the time if you look in the right places.

That being said JOOF is right in about 80% hes saying for me

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Originally posted by smakmagik Look, I agree with him when he talks about trance becoming formulaic, about people concentrating on vocals and riffs and breakdowns and the like in a particular order everytime, but as someone who has earned every little bit of respect he has in the right way, I fail to understand why every single interview of his reeks of his apparent hatred for current 'trance' music. If he hasnt been bothered to jump on the bandwagon like the others he mentions, or produce one top40 track now and then for the moolah, or be generic and copy-pastic everytime, then why in hell is he so constantly and consistently bothered about how the trance scene is? How does it make a difference to him?

Because when you have something great that you love (or once loved), naturally you don't want to see it getting raped the way it is.

I agree with the j00f.

what a great man John is.out of all the dj/producers that I know I have the most respect for him,and I am so glad to have someone like him in the trance scene.I hope he continues his work and and continues inspiring others to do what he does.

cheers

Thanks to JooF for clearing up the problems with trance. Seem's he is crying again, what was his last public out cry?, his wright up on the dj mag. You could say what he said about any genre, over time things get cloudy and less quality comes, but there will always be good trance tunes, even if its one out of every 20 releases or so.


So what is his definition of good trance...that watered down americanized psy a la' chris lawrence etc...that joof likes to pound. I think any producer/dj should try his best to keep his opinions to himself, and try to get the point across with his music, rather than public political rants.


and ive always called svd, marco v jr. Taking a combo of progressive, techno, house and trance....and making music. He's made good tunes for sure, but i don't think he deserves humanitarian of the year.

So Joof is moving onto psy and progressive psy?

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Originally posted by Salem watered down americanized psy

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter So Joof is moving onto psy and progressive psy?

He has been playing that style for a long time now actually.

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Originally posted by Salem watered down americanized psy

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Originally posted by SMC

Yeah


But i can't understand why people bash Fleming for expressing his oppinion in public. Why should anyone keep his/hers oppinions to his/herself..? It's not some random spam made by some newcomer.

I would find it rather interesting to hear what other big-names has to say about the trance scene aswell!

im gonna post this on the tiesto avb and pvd forums.

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Originally posted by Salem So what is his definition of good trance...that watered down americanized psy a la' chris lawrence etc...that joof likes to pound.

care to explain what that means?

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I think any producer/dj should try his best to keep his opinions to himself, and try to get the point across with his music, rather than public political rants.

Why? How do you voice an opinion with EDM?

i like chris lawr muzak

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter So Joof is moving onto psy and progressive psy?

what planet are u living on? joof has always been a psy dj he went abit more trancey for a while but he seems to have gone more psy again now. I dont care anyway joof records is a great label i like most of the tracks on it

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Originally posted by idoru Oh, and I think that Beatport are right fucking cocks for writing this... quote: : Hippy ideals? Maybe, but the fact is unlike techno, drum & bass or house, trance creates a direct emotional response in the right environment. You have to have some sort of emotional response in order to get up and dance, so I guess at Techno, DnB and House nights the crowd just sits on the floor with their legs crossed and stares into oblivion.

Ya that comment is just RETARDED

It would be quite easy just to lump my lot in as a devils advocate and completely disagree with what John's got to say, but he's got some good points in there as well which are worth considering. I think a lot of it stems from the DJ's frustration of having to hunt very high and low for good music, across a lot of 'genre' branding. That and to some degree the audience has become a lot more discerning over the last 10 years about what genre they will actually go and listen too at a show. The vast majority will simply turn up their nose at certain genres without giving it a second thought or goodness, forbid, a listen and it seems a bit of that has rubbed off on J00F.
And that's his prerogative regardless of what anyone else thinks, no one can make you like something if it really doesn't match what you like to listen too. Maybe it was simply the interview but it seems odd that a DJ would give a broad, tar and feather brushing to entire genres of electronic music.

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�I once made a crossover track that ended up in the UK Top 40 chart and I hated it. �I didn�t want my music in the charts, I didn�t want to become a pop star, so I rebelled on my next release and made a totally underground track that I knew wouldn�t get played on the radio.

It's all about being underground huh?

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Originally posted by rawbound It's all about being underground huh?

yup... just like it should be.
when too many people start to like a certain kind of music it's qulity drops down massivly.
most generes show this.

Omer

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