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Originally posted by RebeL9 that track is a belter. IMO one of Way Out Wests finest tunes.

Agree, it's amazing. It's melodic and emotional in a subtle way, it has the atmosphere and the energy. Plus it is an interesting track from start to finish, nice little intro & outro.

All these tracks sound like they were made 5 years ago.

Is your definition of pure trance stuff that's just old?

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Originally posted by SMC Agree, it's amazing. It's melodic and emotional in a subtle way, it has the atmosphere and the energy. Plus it is an interesting track from start to finish, nice little intro & outro.

Prog house though.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J

Great track selection, I was also diggin Antidote's Inspired bootleg mix of that track.

What Time Is Love is techno, not trance

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Originally posted by Cetra� All these tracks sound like they were made 5 years ago. Is your definition of pure trance stuff that's just old?

No, but there is a certain pattern emerging, don't you think?

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Originally posted by Cetra� All these tracks sound like they were made 5 years ago. Is your definition of pure trance stuff that's just old?

Well if you want new stuff I would direct you to Vibrasphere, Gaidium, Andromeda and other artists playing this style, called "progress" trance (it's named like that on psyshop).

Nah I'm just having a go at some people's definitions of trance and 'pure trance' I just fail to see how any trance song is 'pure trance' like i said earlier I don't think one song can define a whole genre.

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Originally posted by humilis What Time Is Love is techno, not trance

It's pure trance. It says so on the vinyl cover. It was the record that coined the term "trance" to describe hypnotic, melodic techno.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's pure trance. It says so on the vinyl cover. It was the record that coined the term "trance" to describe hypnotic, melodic techno.

Whoa, 1988

1998

actually Im not sure what would be considered pure trance anymore...

dunno how to pinpoint it.. theres the early 90s stuff like the KLF track pointed out above and jam n spoon and visions of shiva... then theres the late 90s like the stuff on GU9, ISOS1, ITWT1, generally there was a bunch of classics from 98/99 which still had a fresh untainted feel... my fav 'pure trance and nothing else' track from those times is dawnseekers - gothic dream (well 2000 anyway)

and then theres PSY muzik which it can be argued is the only pure form of trance with very little commercial/cheese element all the way.. i think psy trane is the most hypnotic if thats how you gauge it but does that mean its pure trance? like a lot of the stuff j00f picks is psytrance and it sounds tight as hell, worlds apart from a tyas rework of acdc or insert the latest shameful remix rework attempt, i guess thats why he switched to psy after that that 'golden period' went sideways into mega-epic-omg trance

oh yeah and those Jason Porter mixes being pasted around are all pure gems

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Originally posted by Mr Moss then theres the late 90s like the stuff on GU9, ISOS1, ITWT1, generally there was a bunch of classics from 98/99 which still had a fresh untainted feel... my fav 'pure trance and nothing else' track from those times is dawnseekers - gothic dream (well 2000 anyway)

But strictly speaking, that stuff wasn't "pure" trance, if pure implies original; it was progressive trance, which itself was a derivative of early 90s trance.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's pure trance. It says so on the vinyl cover. It was the record that coined the term "trance" to describe hypnotic, melodic techno.

So it's techno then? :P Melodic techno. Ok you are right, original trance was melodic hypnotic techno. And maybe KLF invented the whole term as a genre. But the music hasn't lot to do with german trance, which was the start for the whole genre. The track is more like german techno

Few of my favourite tracks to descripe word trance:
Eternal Basement - Taking Place In You (Meditation Mix)
Virtual Symmetry - Loro And Nostro

It's not German techno, it's either ambient or acid house. Probably something in between

German techno = Klangwerk, Torsten Fenslau, Andreas Froese and labels such as Overdrive, Zoth Ommog, Tresor and New Zone

Look at Eye Q Records. It's pretty much trance+techno and hypnotic with almots no breakdowns, just rhythm.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak 1998

http://www.discogs.com/release/92768

Released: 17 Oct 1988

But that could be wrong of course

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Originally posted by humilis So it's techno then? :P Melodic techno. Ok you are right, original trance was melodic hypnotic techno. And maybe KLF invented the whole term as a genre. But the music hasn't lot to do with german trance, which was the start for the whole genre.

It doesn't use the same stylistic soundset as German trance, no, but what makes the German classic trance sound the trance benchmark?

The gap between techno and trance was a blurred one in Germany at the beginning: the distinction of trance as a seperate genre to techno was by no means established for a while.

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Originally posted by sljiva It's not German techno, it's either ambient or acid house. Probably something in between

It isn't ambient, because it was a dance track, played at raves and in clubs for people to dance to. Everyone thinks it's an ambient track because the KLF took the beats off when they released it as part of the 1990 release, but it isn't.

As for acid house... well it's acid and it has a 4/4 beat, but its use of repetitive melody distinguishes it from acid house.

The way I see it, there was a number of tracks in the late 80s that prefaced trance as a distinct genre, all of them experimenting with hypnotic, melodic music. The KLF were the first to release a track that gave a name to this concept- the name "trance". The emergence of the genre proper didn't come until about 1990/1 in Germany, but the principle argument there is a combination of using the term "trance" and the amount of tracks that were made in the style, but there weren't many clear-cut trance records made in 1990. Given that The KLF's track had been an underground hit played across Europe in the years leading up to the German trance explosion, I maintain it deserves credit as the first record to define the trend of "trance", and therefore the first trance record.

Humate - Love Stimulation (Paul van Dyk Love Mix)

and everything Marino Stephano made! This was pure trance and for me he is the artist which i first think off when i hear the word trance.

and offcourse L-Vee!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The way I see it, there was a number of tracks in the late 80s that prefaced trance as a distinct genre, all of them experimenting with hypnotic, melodic music. The KLF were the first to release a track that gave a name to this concept- the name "trance". The emergence of the genre proper didn't come until about 1990/1 in Germany, but the principle argument there is a combination of using the term "trance" and the amount of tracks that were made in the style, but there weren't many clear-cut trance records made in 1990. Given that The KLF's track had been an underground hit played across Europe in the years leading up to the German trance explosion, I maintain it deserves credit as the first record to define the trend of "trance", and therefore the first trance record.

I agree. The "first" record of a genre doesn't necessarily tip off the movement by itself, but it certainly must anticipate it. Nothing anticipated trance like What Time Is Love.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Everyone thinks it's an ambient track because the KLF took the beats off when they released it as part of the 1990 release, but it isn't.

The b-side of the 1988 release is completely without the beats (and with more acid) than a-side if I remember correctly (my brother's vinyl is pretty much unplayable now...)

And I agree with the rest of your post. There was a lot of "proto-trance" tracks in the late 80-ies, especially in industrial (EBM) world. Some guy even posted one disco/synth-pop track from 1984 last week here that sounds entrancing enough to be called proto-trance.
I would still say that "real" trance originated in Germany at the beginning of the decade and that WTIL is proto-trance, but I have no problem with calling it the first trance track ever (solely to "pure trance" in its title)

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Originally posted by Cetra� http://www.discogs.com/release/92768 Released: 17 Oct 1988 But that could be wrong of course

oh fuck off...i wrote 1998 because thats right when trance was on the cusp of blowing up and so many things were going in new and interesting directions still(no ferry formula shit). Take my penis, insert in your mouth and rinse and repeat if nescessary. Sometimes i think you discogs whores never leave the house or have been to an event.

there is no such thing as pure trance because it derives from another genre called techno silly. I can say i attended events from 1995 and on...can you?

personally i still love the style of trance today and same with older stuff too, its different but just as good

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak oh fuck off...i wrote 1998 because thats right when trance was on the cusp of blowing up and so many things were going in new and interesting directions still(no ferry formula shit). Take my penis, insert in your mouth and rinse and repeat if nescessary. Sometimes i think you discogs whores never leave the house or have been to an event. there is no such thing as pure trance because it derives from another genre called techno silly. I can say i attended events from 1995 and on...can you?

Calm the fuck down. It was a breakdown of communication. He didn't spill your pint, hard man.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak oh fuck off...i wrote 1998 because thats right when trance was on the cusp of blowing up and so many things were going in new and interesting directions still(no ferry formula shit). Take my penis, insert in your mouth and rinse and repeat if nescessary. Sometimes i think you discogs whores never leave the house or have been to an event. there is no such thing as pure trance because it derives from another genre called techno silly. I can say i attended events from 1995 and on...can you?

Well, if you read the first thing I posted in this thread, I also mentioned this.

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