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Andre, how many times that your word didn't go right?
and now not even money back?
so obvious people think you are xxxx.
people would not listen to you anymore.
If sonicstate was incorporated and they've gone bankrupt, then unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do to get their money back...
If it was a sole proprietorship or partnership then the business owners can be held responsible for their outstanding debts...
There's obviously some confusion over this and I can understand why. I did not "use" my half. I never had a half. The money was taken and I have not ever seen one red cent of it. I DID NOT agree to take the money out..but out it came anyway. Now you are all jumping down my throat? Why? So you won't come out and support Wintergalactic next year? Then it'll never happen again. Do you think I give two shits? I can pull away and never again give everyone everything from my heart. It's quite simple, none of you have EVER been to any events better than Wintergalactic and State. So if neither happens again, who's loss is it? Mine? Nope. I already lost. ON EVERY FUCKING EVENT I'VE EVER DONE TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY! TO SEE YOUR SMILES. Ex serb friends huh? When the going get's rough, you all take off. Typical.
Sonic State was in charge of managing the event this year. Sonic State fucked up. I was not in charge this year. This is the ONLY year it fucked up. Now, you are trying to hold me responisible for money that Sonic State removed? I was never legally a part of the company, nor did i ever see any of the money. My portion?? What?? I never signed a contract at the outlets, why wasn't I informed that there was an agreement made on my behalf? Pass the blame right? Now I look like the bad guy. I haven't dissappeared you freaks, I'm right here posting replies to you people. You can email me personally at one of two addresses.
a. [email protected][/email]
b. [email][email protected]
Either one, you'll get a reply. The phone IS disconnected, because my roommate left the country and I can't afford that kind of rent. I'm taking a month off to relax and recuperate mentally, emotionally and financially. Like I said, I can't borrow thousands of dollars from family to pay things off. I, just like you, have to WORK for my money. It doesn't grow on trees. I'm not some high almighty rich kid y'know, I'm just like you and your friends. I work for my cash.
I didn't dissappear, nick did. I'm still in Toronto. I went to DERB to talk to people like TRANCEARMADA, to let them know what happened. I still live in the city and I will have a new phone number set up soon. Nick left the country, ran away...far far away. And you all have the balls to call me a scammer. Yah, much respect. phhhhhpt. 
Anyway, whatever. We'll figure this one out too, it's just going to take some time. I'll call the outlets on Monday.
bye.
spaceman
It's not that simple itika. If a company files bankruptcy, they hand over everything to the trustees who will see that as many debts as possible get paid. If ticket holders can't get money because it was spent on the event but didn't work out, that's fine, they tried. They would have to provide the trustee with proof of all expenditures. If that's the case, then my apologies to Andre. But that's not the way this is sounding and I don't like it.
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| Originally posted by liquidchick Okay, this is what I think -- that big apology letter that Andre or whatever his name was posted not too long ago about how we'll get our money back along with free admission to the next party and a WG'02 was totally bullshitting us. He said we can only get refunds starting April 15 and when that day came, no refunds were possible. Let's see, April 15 and this guy is no where to be found. Seems like he gave a bogus refund date so he'd have enough time to get away. |
Im surprised, and feel real bad that a lot of you didnt get refunds for your tickets. I had a friend buy my ticket from DJ Depot in Brampton, and I was able to get a full refund the same day that Wintergalactic was supposed to happen. I used the money to buy Sasha and Digweed tix. I consider myself very lucky now.
To REALSPACEMAN, Im not sure what happened, and cannot make complete sense of the situation, but have to give you credit for atleast posting again, giving us updates, and facing the situation, rather than running. But at the same time, you have to realize that nobody will trust SonicState, or you (because everyone associates you with SonicState), until matters are rectified. Perhaps you have some suggestions, or some influence that could get the money back from those that have it (ie, your former partners). From what I know, Wintergalactic Miami went on without too many problems, so money made from that party, should be used to settle debts here (including refunds).
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| Originally posted by REALSPACEMAN There's obviously some confusion over this and I can understand why. I did not "use" my half. I never had a half. The money was taken and I have not ever seen one red cent of it. I DID NOT agree to take the money out..but out it came anyway. Now you are all jumping down my throat? Why? So you won't come out and support Wintergalactic next year? Then it'll never happen again. Do you think I give two shits? I can pull away and never again give everyone everything from my heart. It's quite simple, none of you have EVER been to any events better than Wintergalactic and State. So if neither happens again, who's loss is it? Mine? Nope. I already lost. ON EVERY FUCKING EVENT I'VE EVER DONE TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY! TO SEE YOUR SMILES. Ex serb friends huh? When the going get's rough, you all take off. Typical. Sonic State was in charge of managing the event this year. Sonic State fucked up. I was not in charge this year. This is the ONLY year it fucked up. Now, you are trying to hold me responisible for money that Sonic State removed? I was never legally a part of the company, nor did i ever see any of the money. My portion?? What?? I never signed a contract at the outlets, why wasn't I informed that there was an agreement made on my behalf? Pass the blame right? Now I look like the bad guy. I haven't dissappeared you freaks, I'm right here posting replies to you people. You can email me personally at one of two addresses. a. [email protected][/email] b. [email][email protected] Either one, you'll get a reply. The phone IS disconnected, because my roommate left the country and I can't afford that kind of rent. I'm taking a month off to relax and recuperate mentally, emotionally and financially. Like I said, I can't borrow thousands of dollars from family to pay things off. I, just like you, have to WORK for my money. It doesn't grow on trees. I'm not some high almighty rich kid y'know, I'm just like you and your friends. I work for my cash. I didn't dissappear, nick did. I'm still in Toronto. I went to DERB to talk to people like TRANCEARMADA, to let them know what happened. I still live in the city and I will have a new phone number set up soon. Nick left the country, ran away...far far away. And you all have the balls to call me a scammer. Yah, much respect. phhhhhpt. Anyway, whatever. We'll figure this one out too, it's just going to take some time. I'll call the outlets on Monday. bye. spaceman |
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| Originally posted by REALSPACEMAN Ex serb friends huh? When the going get's rough, you all take off. Typical. |
... then what about all those "who wants ..." parties... what i'm getting at is, we've been supporting you since the beginning, and even though at times you screwed us over, we stuck behind you! so i don't appreciate your comment at all man!! saying how we leave once the going gets tough, thats such bullshit! 
ok obviously there are more people working at sonic state on the event at the time. I would like to hear what happened from them because how do we know you two are not pulling a scam now?(personally i dont think so but...)
trust has been broken with your loyal supporters and you need to rebuild it.
I know there were other people that posted on this board who helped SS out...
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| Originally posted by REALSPACEMAN Nick left the country, ran away...far far away. spaceman |
If anyone has ANY questions or comments, any at all, email me at the email addresses provided. I am trying to make some sense of the situation, and trying to help out everyone who lost money through tickets as well. The best I can do, at least right now, is guarantee that anyone who has a ticket and can't get a refund will be guaranteed entry into next years event...if there is an event.
With all this shit, I can honestly say I take full responsibility for one particular thing. Putting the fate of Wintergalactic in someone else's hands. I am sorry, it would have been different otherwise. It was my oversight, but I won't be held immediately responsible for losses sufferred by you because of errors made by SS. Yes, I was employed by SS, but that is the end of it..period. The monetary losses I regret, but I will offer equal value for you ticket for next years Wintergalactic. That's the best I can do, I'm sorry if it's not good enough.
In the meantime, if you have anything to say, please email me and let's straighten this out between you and me. That will be the end of it. And with regards to support, I appreciate every person who's stuck by anything I've done in the past. I will never forget each one of you, but don't go telling me that you will never come to another event because of a fuck up. Ferry? Shit happens. I'm still planning a free party. It WILL HAPPEN! GUARANTEED. Just be patient. Good things come to those who wait(HEINZ, LIKE NO OTHER KIND) 
Anyhow, email me and let's settle this shit. I'm sick of the drama and want this to end....NOW!! Please.
I will call the outlets Monday and Tuesday and straighten this out with them. In the meantime, let me know if you ever want to see Wintergalactic happen again. Because to be quite honest, it's no skin off my back to never throw another event again. Actually, it'll be less headaches! 
peace to the mod squad.
spaceman
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| Originally posted by REALSPACEMAN In the meantime, let me know if you ever want to see Wintergalactic happen again. Because to be quite honest, it's no skin off my back to never throw another event again. Actually, it'll be less headaches! peace to the mod squad. spaceman |
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| Originally posted by SOS2 Galvatron This does not look good at all. A never ending story |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH 3. Put on a new pair of socks |
my god..im sure glad ive never gone thru anything like this. I mean, I know our promoter is in Debt, but yikes...this is rough!
Someone posted earlier about using a credit card to pay for tickets. That's the best idea these days if you have that option.
Even if you dont have a credit card, you can still buy tickets at tripledecks.com by sending in a money order.
These guys also don't pay promoters until after the event (other stores should do that too), so your money is always safe in case of an event cacellation, and you're guaranteed to get a refund.
TripleDecks.com also offers refunds if you can't make it to the event, which other stores don't do.
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| Originally posted by REALSPACEMAN Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...... spaceman |
Things have to change, change change......
Such a great choon!
Look, I haven't really been following all of the drama thats been going on in Toronto and I've sort of counted my losses and moved on..
However, this whole ticket refund drama is just as much the record stores fault as anybody elses...
Here is a sample copy of a contract I use that prevents this situation from ever happening! And this is a very common practice for just about every record store I know of from Boston to Atlanta... I suguest toronto take a cue on professionalism.
Store name: ____________________
Address: _______________________
City __________________State ____Zip______
Phone _______________Fax________________
LUVCHILD ENTERTAINMENT TICKET AGREEMENT
1._________________________(Store) will serve as a ticket outlet for
Luvchild Entertainment for an event on (date) May 26th 2002 called Monumental.
2.Any taxes or fees associated with this event are the sole liability and responsibility of the promoter.
********3.All ticket proceeds will be held till the first busniess day following the event to insure the production of this event takes place.
4.It is the responsibility and liability of the promoter to meet with the ticket outlet to pick up any unused tickets and ticket sale proceeds within 2 weeks after the event. Or if we can�t get to the store send a UPS call tag for pick-up
5.There will be a $ ____ charge off the face value of the ticket charged to the promoter and a $____ charge added as a service charge to the customer that will go to the ticket outlet.
6.Promoter holds ticket outlet harmless from liability for promoter�s event or failure to produce.
7.Total # of tickets received ______. Numbered #________ to #________.
8.Face value of each ticket $________
Additional amendments________________________________________________
By signing this contract the promoter and ticket outlet agree to all of the Conditions above.
________________ ________________________________(Store) LUVCHILD ENTERTAINMENT
Date______________ Date________________
Resolution agreement (to be signed after unused tickets and proceeds are picked up.)
Unused tickets received __________
Total proceeds received $ _________
Received on (date)_____________ by _________________________ (promoter)
WWW.LUVCHILDENTERTAINMENT.COM
Simon
I really really hate to bring this thread to the forefront again, but it's hard not to. Andre, I took your challenge to write to your email address to "straighten out" things, but all you did is give me a quick one line "i can't write more now" reply, and no more in two weeks. Meanwhile, the outlets (Eastern Bloc) still say you owe them money and that they can't get a hold of you. I'm sorry, but you really have no credibility left at all. If I were you, I would take Nick's lead and leave town, cuz if I don't hear from you within 48 hours regarding how you're going to refund people's money, or what exactly happened to the money, I will take action. If part of the money was spent on preparations, then give people a partial refund.
This is not a threat, just a warning. Don't get it wrong, my time is more valuable than the money I lost, but I don't think you should get away with pulling a scam (and it's getting really difficult to think of this as anything but, so prove me wrong) like this on the community.
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| Originally posted by Arcticboy If I were you, I would take Nick's lead and leave town, cuz if I don't hear from you within 48 hours regarding how you're going to refund people's money, or what exactly happened to the money, I will take action. If part of the money was spent on preparations, then give people a partial refund. This is not a threat, just a warning. Don't get it wrong, my time is more valuable than the money I lost, but I don't think you should get away with pulling a scam (and it's getting really difficult to think of this as anything but, so prove me wrong) like this on the community. |
I'm in support of Arcticboy. It is unlikely that any of the money not refunded will be gained back from this, but at least justice has a better chance of being served. I only bought a pair of tickets, so the loss wasn't too great. But for those that bought multiple tickets and trusted the organizers to carry through their end of the bargain have been hit the hardest. Action needs to be taken, and I'm behind Arcticboy on any plans pursued on this issue.
i am glad you brought the topic back up..
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| Originally posted by Arcticboy I really really hate to bring this thread to the forefront again, but it's hard not to. Andre, I took your challenge to write to your email address to "straighten out" things, but all you did is give me a quick one line "i can't write more now" reply, and no more in two weeks. Meanwhile, the outlets (Eastern Bloc) still say you owe them money and that they can't get a hold of you. I'm sorry, but you really have no credibility left at all. If I were you, I would take Nick's lead and leave town, cuz if I don't hear from you within 48 hours regarding how you're going to refund people's money, or what exactly happened to the money, I will take action. If part of the money was spent on preparations, then give people a partial refund. This is not a threat, just a warning. Don't get it wrong, my time is more valuable than the money I lost, but I don't think you should get away with pulling a scam (and it's getting really difficult to think of this as anything but, so prove me wrong) like this on the community. |
Re: i am glad you brought the topic back up..
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| Originally posted by deacon "If I were you, I would take Nick's lead and leave town" I was pretty surprised to read this one line Arcticboy..I understand your anger COMPLETELY and again will say that i left Toronto for a couple months so I can work to pay off everything...I paid off my half of the ticket money before I left, and have contracts with all the outlets for Andre being responsible for the rest. After meeting you a couple times and talking about stuff via email, I thought you would understand that I am not running away, with no intention of coming back. My life is in Tdot. Deacon |
I have three words, and I will explain now why I say this.
BRING IT ON.
Why? Because there's a difference within this situation that you must be unaware. Simply put, I'm confident that no charges that are brought upon me regarding any of these allegation will the verdict be a guilty charge on me. Think you got a leg to stand on nick? Try me.
And nick? Are you that retarded that you have to try and prove yourself regarding how much money you put into debts that are noone else's concern? Stick to the topic at hand. Personal business in noone else's business. Grow up.
I will now officially end my posting until this issue is resolved. Maybe I'll see you out there.
And just to be on the safe side, why don't some of you come down to Toronto and ask around about what it is people think. Who's real around here...y'know??
Just so you know, nick has no right to respond to any questions regarding Wintergalactic. He has no rights to the event or the name, and cannot answer any questions to your concerns. So be patient and I'll respond. His responses are legally invalid and cannot be taken as black and white.
Nick, you destroyed my dream. The Wintergalactic name is done because of you. Building it back up, if at all, will be painstaking and arduous. For this and much more I have done nothing in response. But take me the distance and your confidence will crumble quick. I wish no response to this post, but I'm sure you won't be able to shut up about it. Or maybe you will. Let's see what happens... Drama queen.
spaceman
p.s> the reason I haven't been responding is because I still have to make enough money to afford and internet connection. When I do I can actually check my emails daily...instead of once a week at a friends house with 10 minutes to do it in.
research before placing blame, and let your conscience be your guide.
Goodbye, email me to talk. I'll get to you when I can.
HOLLY FUCK ... this is the most drama I have ever seen !!! PPL better get there money back from this shit. Forget about free party or make up party ... money comes first.
ya man and i want my free cd
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