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Originally posted by tubularbills that pretty much sums it up!

Well I fell on my arse there at life

fail.

Because men are physically stronger and so through our instinctual thoughts we act more as the breadwinner and protector, a higher role, while women assume the domestic and caregiver role.

These are remnants of our past. Luckily most of the western world sees men and women as equal now but subconsciously men are still seen as superior.

More men are prone and willing to take higher risks, plus endure emotional hardship better. We are after all still animals at heart, even though we've developed a high intelligence.

Even though things are getting more equal every day, I doubt that you will ever truely see men and women as completely equal in every aspect of life. It's just not natural for most people, regardless of if they put on a face and say otherwise. You can't control your instincts, nor can you change them. That also has nothing to do with some cultures still not recognising women as equal because that's a whole different story.

Women aren't creative because they're not encouraged to be.


Just look at the kind of toys we give to children from an early age. Women get barbie dolls and ponies, the most superficial of things. They aren't encourage to think, just to assimilate an ideal. Boys are given video games and legos, both of which encourage them to think and be creative. Girls are given romance novels to read. Again - very superficial and unintelligent things. Boys are given science fiction and fantasy books, things that stimulate the imagination. How would the two turn out if you switched them around and gave the boy toys to the little girls? More creative and more imaginative women, that's what I think.

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Originally posted by Lilith I don't see that as bad thing as it keeps me focused and grounded in reality, as a makeup artist I might make 40k a year, administration or sales maybe 50, upper management (which I do now) or group training 70-90, Tiesto chops on TA $0, Mixes $0, making clothes -$, renting properties out annually a six figure income. Outgoing is also a six figure sum to the bank. I run off and make a career out of some of those and the budget is not met, I have to liquidate assets and that is the simple reality.

you talk about reality too much...reality doesnt mean anything its what you make it. It is your reality. I'm grounded to my reality every bit as much as you are to yours. My reality is probably a little more lucid or something though.

You talk about liquidating assets? what the fuck does that mean? objects? fuck those. The only objects I like are the ones that make sound and shit. Aside from that all you have to worry about is fulfilling the things that keep you alive. Why try to get a bunch more than that? I dont feel that greedy or anything, or like I have to show off.

Don't get me wrong you should do whatever makes you happy...but even the way you wrote that didnt make it sound too fun.

Do you feel that its really in you to be that financially orientated? Or do you think that the theory mentioned earlier in the thread, about how women who fear becoming dependant housewives feel the need to go in the extreme opposite direction...do you think that could be a factor?

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Originally posted by Fledz Because men are physically stronger and so through our instinctual thoughts we act more as the breadwinner and protector, a higher role, while women assume the domestic and caregiver role. These are remnants of our past. Luckily most of the western world sees men and women as equal now but subconsciously men are still seen as superior. More men are prone and willing to take higher risks, plus endure emotional hardship better. We are after all still animals at heart, even though we've developed a high intelligence. Even though things are getting more equal every day, I doubt that you will ever truely see men and women as completely equal in every aspect of life. It's just not natural for most people, regardless of if they put on a face and say otherwise. You can't control your instincts, nor can you change them. That also has nothing to do with some cultures still not recognising women as equal because that's a whole different story.

hm yeah I guess to a large extent the risk taking factor could be what sets it apart.

Im no macho man, I'm a fucking pussy, but as far as finances and emotions and security go, I probably do take more risks than most girls...but thats just cuz if you don't take them youll want to kill yourself a week later.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps You do what you love.

Pretty much.

If some people like playing records/music they like which someone else made, it seems alright to me. There are people who are pretty good at it underneath all the fucktards.

Also, on topic:


Institutionalized gender roles.

The more society accepts those roles, and doesn't find them odd, the harder it is to push the other way. Changes have occured. Changes will occur. But it takes time, especially with hollywood, the media, and advertising all pushing the wrong image most of the time.

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Originally posted by Clovis Pretty much. If some people like playing records/music they like which someone else made, it seems alright to me. There are people who are pretty good at it underneath all the fucktards.

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For sure, realistically my negative attitude is just due to me being bitter about the sort of shit i see around here if I ever click on MD...and when djing is like such a (in my opinion unjustly) blown up thing, you feel a need to be a bit more extreme in your words and opinions about it.

also in real life i wouldnt give a dj shit or anything unless they were proper douches, they are just trying to play records and have a good time probably or whatever. I think all 3 of those dudes in that live video I posted will DJ occasionally. Its just not like the "meat".

I just dont think they should be treated like gods and shit. Yeah, they deserve respect for spreading the music...producers do need time to stay at home and work and djs can give them a chance to do that...but in my opinion djs have sort of almost hid the truth about electronic music from the public or something...so much of it can almost seem like deception sometimes.

I don't know if you know what I mean or not, but I've met people who have been going clubbing and shit for like a couple years, and actually think that dude up there like composing that shit with the 1200s and the mixers (and now with all the extra gear they have in the booth enphasizes this image).

Also theres of course the whole thing where they release records under their name that they didnt make.

EDIT: fuck yeah I totally forgot about the media. I forget what a giant roll it plays in peoples lives sometimes. I've also noticed the media doing things like purposefully making feminism and shit look stupid and unattractive even to girls, by focusing on the really stupid ass feminist movements, and the really irrational feminists.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps you talk about reality too much...reality doesnt mean anything its what you make it. It is your reality. I'm grounded to my reality every bit as much as you are to yours. My reality is probably a little more lucid or something though.

I make my own reality, I don't believe in luck, fate or a happy feeling making something right.

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You talk about liquidating assets? what the fuck does that mean? objects? fuck those. The only objects I like are the ones that make sound and shit. Aside from that all you have to worry about is fulfilling the things that keep you alive. Why try to get a bunch more than that? I dont feel that greedy or anything, or like I have to show off.

Houses, flats, units. As well as being objects, they are also income. Less of them, less income for me.

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Don't get me wrong you should do whatever makes you happy...but even the way you wrote that didnt make it sound too fun.

Fun is a completely subjective activity.
(It's also crude and heavy handed to impose it on someone as a definition)

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Do you feel that its really in you to be that financially orientated? Or do you think that the theory mentioned earlier in the thread, about how women who fear becoming dependant housewives feel the need to go in the extreme opposite direction...do you think that could be a factor?

Has a lot to do with how I was raised and it also comes from an early realisation that I was the only one who was going to be in charge of my future. I also have a higher than average it seems predilection to take calculated chances, a very high threshold of fear and something of a paranoid and insular personality. Which means I'm not often very likeable as a human being but independent of others on a practical and emotional level.

Most people wander around without any definite direction in their lives following whims and perceived expectations which are outside the actual reality of the situation. Then upon arrival they find things aren't up to those expectations and bounce off to something else like a cue ball.
That's just my unprofessional, personal opinion, those of others may vary.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps l For sure, realistically my negative attitude is just due to me being bitter about the sort of shit i see around here if I ever click on MD...and when djing is like such a (in my opinion unjustly) blown up thing, you feel a need to be a bit more extreme in your words and opinions about it. also in real life i wouldnt give a dj shit or anything unless they were proper douches, they are just trying to play records and have a good time probably or whatever. I think all 3 of those dudes in that live video I posted will DJ occasionally. Its just not like the "meat". I just dont think they should be treated like gods and shit. Yeah, they deserve respect for spreading the music...producers do need time to stay at home and work and djs can give them a chance to do that...but in my opinion djs have sort of almost hid the truth about electronic music from the public or something...so much of it can almost seem like deception sometimes. I don't know if you know what I mean or not, but I've met people who have been going clubbing and shit for like a couple years, and actually think that dude up there like composing that shit with the 1200s and the mixers (and now with all the extra gear they have in the booth enphasizes this image). Also theres of course the whole thing where they release records under their name that they didnt make.

I agree with everything you said. It's funny, sometimes when I'm spinning people say "woah did you do that" or "nice" when I'm not even mixing or doing anything. Its tough trying to explain it to people too, because then they think you aren't really doing shit (which is only half true )

But putting two tracks together out of a huge collection of music that work perfectly is a great skill imo. And to do this continuously for 6+ hours is as well.
Collecting music is like a job too, if you're serious about it. Theres alot of good music out there that is extremely hard to find unless you really look, I'm sure you know that.

I also hate those DJs who wont tell you what track they're playing. If they didn't fucking make it, then it isn't their right. I'm always telling people the names of tracks they show interest in when I'm DJing.

yeah but you can live without making a lot of money...and then youre leaving more money for other people to live off of...and there are a lot of us who need to live.

I'm not into the whole making money consuming consuming thing...I think humans need to taper down on that. We can continue to evolve without that shit.

Fun is subjective, yes I knew this, but I asked you whether or not you find what you do fun. You did not answer.

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Originally posted by Clovis I also hate those DJs who wont tell you what track they're playing. If they didn't fucking make it, then it isn't their right. I'm always telling people the names of tracks they show interest in when I'm DJing.

Wtf, I've never come across that! ******s.

Why wouldn't you tell someone what you're playing

I did actually, just not using the word fun, I used passionate which is similar, but yes I do get fun and enjoyment out of making money.

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Originally posted by Fledz Wtf, I've never come across that! ******s. Why wouldn't you tell someone what you're playing

I dunno.

Some would say that the standards for success and creativity are set by males in the first place. Women then perhaps do not need fame and wealth and creativity as males know it because they posses an entirely different set of goals and desires for social prosperity.

Of course there are several instances where this is not the case - and men and women desire and possess the same goals - but there are several occurrences throughout history where certain revisions in logic and understanding have had to be imparted due to the fact that women are very often far different creatures than men. Should they be treated differently? Well shit, I can't answer that. Each sex/gender has its expectations, but other peoples' considerations are an entirely different topic. :P

Why do males dominate? Males sure think they do, don't they? Who sets the standards for 'domination' though? Males. Why are they the ones who get to set the standards? Because they are pretty much the only ones who care.

Of course this is all generalizing. The first fuck who points that out gets a cyanide cookie.

You are general- wait, I don't like cyanide cookies.

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Originally posted by Clovis I agree with everything you said. It's funny, sometimes when I'm spinning people say "woah did you do that" or "nice" when I'm not even mixing or doing anything. Its tough trying to explain it to people too, because then they think you aren't really doing shit (which is only half true ) But putting two tracks together out of a huge collection of music that work perfectly is a great skill imo. And to do this continuously for 6+ hours is as well. Collecting music is like a job too, if you're serious about it. Theres alot of good music out there that is extremely hard to find unless you really look, I'm sure you know that. I also hate those DJs who wont tell you what track they're playing. If they didn't fucking make it, then it isn't their right. I'm always telling people the names of tracks they show interest in when I'm DJing.

for sure man, you might know im a fairly big into the older electro scene or whatever all that shit, and mixing was big part of that...but the actual emphasis on the MIXING was less, but track selection was just as key as ever, and of course I love tracks, so line up a bunch of good ones and I'll be happy. Play something that blows my mind that I havent heard before and I'll be giving that dj a lot of prise...but I probably wouldnt have cared how well they mixed into it! Thats not to say proper mixing can't be a delightful touch especially from the perspective of actually being on the dancefloor (not in a computer chair).

Of course you can be madly creative with mixing, but thats usually best with um... more boring music...when people try to do that with really awesome tracks it starts to sound too gimicky or something to me though.

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Originally posted by Clovis You are general- wait, I don't like cyanide cookies.

Fine, more for me! D:<

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Some would say that the standards for success and creativity are set by males in the first place. Women then perhaps do not need fame and wealth and creativity as males know it because they posses an entirely different set of goals and desires for social prosperity. Of course there are several instances where this is not the case - and men and women desire and possess the same goals - but there are several occurrences throughout history where certain revisions in logic and understanding have had to be imparted due to the fact that women are very often far different creatures than men. Should they be treated differently? Well shit, I can't answer that. Each sex/gender has its expectations, but other peoples' considerations are an entirely different topic. :P Why do males dominate? Males sure think they do, don't they? Who sets the standards for 'domination' though? Males. Why are they the ones who get to set the standards? Because they are pretty much the only ones who care. Of course this is all generalizing. The first fuck who points that out gets a cyanide cookie.

interesting points, but in my opinion when it comes to like music and shit, the girls who do make it have a lot of the same goals. (well as "samey" as you can get amoung artists!) It is pretty universal I think really.

But it is important to remember that yeah, success is only rated on the person...and some girls will have different passions.

Raising a good child is probably a greater success in most ways than one can achieve in corporate jobs thats for sure...I sort of strayed away from the whole pregnancy thing though...cuz it is an obvious difference that will probably more or less remain in our society for a while.

I personally am a big fan of good mixing. I guess, not so much in the sense that I wont tolerate even a minor fuckup, but, I just want to know that the guy/gal DJing is putting effort into how they arrange the tracks together, and how they get from one to the next.
Of course tracks matter more, but I think its funny how I see alot of people like yourself who are always quick to point out the fact that DJs really aren't doing much worth anything, yet you don't mind if they're not keen on mixing well. IMO, it's a part of a DJ's job too, and like I said, it's more a display of effort and creativity for me than exact technical skill.

Also what you said about boring music, I think thats another advantage of creative mixing, is that it can make ok tracks sound much more fun and interesting.

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Originally posted by Clovis I personally am a big fan of good mixing. I guess, not so much in the sense that I wont tolerate even a minor fuckup, but, I just want to know that the guy/gal DJing is putting effort into how they arrange the tracks together, and how they get from one to the next. Of course tracks matter more, but I think its funny how I see alot of people like yourself who are always quick to point out the fact that DJs really aren't doing much worth anything, yet you don't mind if they're not keen on mixing well. IMO, it's a part of a DJ's job too, and like I said, it's more a display of effort and creativity for me than exact technical skill. Also what you said about boring music, I think thats another advantage of creative mixing, is that it can make ok tracks sound much more fun and interesting.

yeah its a strange paradox or something.

I guess it comes down to that I'm not really too concerned about the mix being recorded and uploaded and critiqued and shit...

also I fucking love the little fuckups in live improv. Man when you have multiple people jamming hardware together...often with no midi, youre gonna have fuckups...but somehow that rules to me right now. It sounds fucking wicked. So raw or something.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps in my opinion when it comes to like music and shit, the girls who do make it have a lot of the same goals. (well as "samey" as you can get amoung artists!) It is pretty universal I think really.

Right - because they are conforming to succeed in a male-dominated industry. Is that sort of what you meant? I'm not sure what sorts of universal goals you mean, I guess.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Right - because they are conforming to succeed in a male-dominated industry. Is that sort of what you meant? I'm not sure what sorts of universal goals you mean, I guess.

well all the female artists im thinking of dont make a dollar from their music, so I have no reason to beleive they would do it for any other reason.

also when they talk about making it they have a passion for the shit just like anybody else.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps well all the female artists im thinking of dont make a dollar from their music, so I have no reason to beleive they would do it for any other reason. also when they talk about making it they have a passion for the shit just like anybody else.

I don't think theres any difference in how passionate a man or woman can be about anything.

yeah and i think music tastes vary person to person...I dont think it is sex based to any large extent really...well maybe in the pop scene.

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