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| Originally posted by zokissima How about a freeze on the sallaries of TTC workers for a couple of years... |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 (Now ill sit back and watch the Detroitification of Toronto continue) |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Not that any of this exonerates Miller, but the TTC is essentially half of Toronto's budget. If anyone needs to figure out how to do more with less, it's them. Of course, Miller doesn't actually understand that, he was just dumping his own problems onto the TTC, just as he was trying to dump them onto the taxpayers before that. Oh, and notice how there's no background, context, or opposing viewpoints presented in the article? Right, that's because it's the Star. Seriously... please don't post material from that rag. |
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Globe & Mail City threatens to shut Sheppard subway 'We don't have the room to manoeuvre,' Miller says of Toronto's cash crunch; his critics decry the move as 'service-level Armageddon' JENNIFER LEWINGTON AND JEFF GRAY July 20, 2007 TORONTO -- A shutdown of the Sheppard subway, a 25-cent fare increase for transit riders and reduced hours for libraries and community centres lead a list of cuts threatened yesterday for Toronto residents. The potential cuts, which could kick in within weeks, are fallout from the defeat, for now, of Mayor David Miller's proposal for $350-million in new taxes. The mayor denied the threat of reduced services amounts to a scare tactic. "We don't have the room to manoeuvre any more," he said. Yesterday's political theatre seems designed to send a message to balky city councillors about what's at stake on Oct. 22, when Mr. Miller's two new taxes come back for a definitive vote, and to all three provincial parties who will be mining voter support in Toronto in the Oct. 10 election. Critics on council denounced Mr. Miller's explanation. "The responsible approach is not to make daily announcements of service-level Armageddon," said Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong (Ward 34 Don Valley East), who had led the charge to put off a decision on the tax proposals until fall. "Rather there needs to be a responsible, organized and intelligent approach to examining the cutbacks that are a priority in this difficult time." Others, including Councillors Case Ootes (Ward 29 Toronto-Danforth) and Brian Ashton (Ward 36 Scarborough Southwest), who both voted against Mr. Miller, called for an emergency council meeting to discuss the pending cuts. The Toronto Transit Commission will hold an emergency meeting today to consider a request from the city to slash $30-million from its $1.1-billion budget this year. On the table are a possible fare increase, the closing of the Sheppard subway next January, as well as the cancellation of 21 bus routes and a promised new service to ease commuter overcrowding. "This is extremely traumatic," said TTC chairman Adam Giambrone, who compared the coming slash in spending with deep cuts at the transit agency in the 1990s. "... As chair of the TTC, this is one of the darkest days we've seen in transit in over a decade." Mr. Giambrone, a close ally of the mayor, acknowledged that the scale of the potential cuts surprised him as well as senior TTC officials: "The number ... came as a shock, quite frankly," he said. Meanwhile, other agencies and departments are under the gun to come up with their own significant savings, such as a ban on non-essential travel and a deeper hiring freeze (except for staff required under provincial legislation). City manager Shirley Hoy is to meet today with heads of divisions to lay out the rules for making across-the-board cuts worth about $100-million by year end. City officials have authority to order a range of belt-tightening measures, she said, but only council can eliminate entire programs. The $100-million in savings would be used to whittle down a budget shortfall of $575-million in 2008. Mr. Miller had assumed his new revenue measures, a new tax of up to 2 per cent on the purchase of a home and a $60 fee to register ownership of a motor vehicle, would generate about $350-million annually for the city. Meanwhile, the Toronto Police Services Board has ordered a meeting next week to respond to the city's request to pare at least $10-million from its $785-million budget for 2007. City officials want all emergency services, police, fire and ambulance, to come up with "significant savings" worth a total of $30-million this year, board chairman Alok Mukherjee said. "I know that we will have to make a very serious effort," he said. But he emphasized that the board is "absolutely committed" to maintaining the council-approved complement of 5,510 officers on the street. Salaries and benefits account for 93 per cent of costs, leaving a fraction of the overall police budget from which to find immediate savings. The sudden turn for the TTC, with an unprecedented increase in users and the promise of capital investment in light-rail services over the next decade, should not surprise anyone after council's vote this week, the mayor said. "I was very clear," he told reporters, when asked to explain the TTC news. "I've been very clear for months. "The city's financial position is unsustainable," he said. "Did we say this particular thing to the people of Toronto? No you're quite right, I didn't. But in very general terms, I laid out exactly the consequences." One of the biggest pressures on city finances is the TTC, which accounts for 15 per cent of the city's $7.8-billion operating budget. Shutting the Sheppard subway, used by 40,000 people a day, would save $10-million in 2008, Mr. Giambrone said. Shutting down the line would take until January, because its 140 unionized employees must be redeployed to replace other staff as they retire, Mr. Giambone said, adding that staff reductions would likely occur through attrition. Bus service would replace the subway. In effect, the TTC will be expected to manage in 2007 with the same level of subsidy, $272-million, that it received from the city this year, despite spiralling costs from more riders, rising fuel costs and automatic wage increases for unionized staff. |
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WOW WOW and more WOW
Just watching CTV news.
So the Ontario finance minister proposed that the province wants to help by brining in some 3rd party experts to review the budget and look into how and where the money is being spent. He is pretty much also saying that it is a stupid idea to shut down the subway line.
WELL....Toronto doesn;t want that...they just want the provinces money..
Great fucking work!
OOoOo the TTC can suck it 
I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed.
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| Originally posted by djtransid OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed. |
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| Originally posted by djtransid OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed. |
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| Originally posted by Cro_Addict oh my ...i wish i had a German car like you.... you are soooooooo coool! |
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| Originally posted by exstasie I wouldn't drive anything that's not German... German cars ftw! PS. I like their proposed Idea of opening up at Casino in Toronto :P |
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Thank goodness I drive my parents C-RV :P There's nothing to steal there.. |
German cars do extra damage when you hit Jews.
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| Originally posted by djtransid OOoOo the TTC can suck it I'll sit in my a/c german car that doesnt stink like B.O. i dont care how much i have to pay for gas / car repairs. atleast i know where my $$ is being spent when i get it fixed. |
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| Originally posted by Frenchie I love your car , shes tres comfy!! I sense some bitterness from cro. Jealous much? |
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| Originally posted by Cro_Addict WOW WOW and more WOW Just watching CTV news. So the Ontario finance minister proposed that the province wants to help by brining in some 3rd party experts to review the budget and look into how and where the money is being spent. He is pretty much also saying that it is a stupid idea to shut down the subway line. WELL....Toronto doesn;t want that...they just want the provinces money.. Great fucking work! |
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| Originally posted by EvilTree Something federal govt does within its jurisdiction vs something provincial and municipal govt is responsible within its jurisdiction. Do I need to go over what each level of govt is suppose to be responsible under the law again? |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Not that any of this exonerates Miller, but the TTC is essentially half of Toronto's budget. If anyone needs to figure out how to do more with less, it's them. Of course, Miller doesn't actually understand that, he was just dumping his own problems onto the TTC, just as he was trying to dump them onto the taxpayers before that. Oh, and notice how there's no background, context, or opposing viewpoints presented in the article? Right, that's because it's the Star. Seriously... please don't post material from that rag. |
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| Originally posted by Time2Burn +1.... yes that's right digi I agree with you. Hell has freeken froze over. |
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| Originally posted by geroin isn't that the same pile of money anyways? do we not pay for that? |
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| Originally posted by EvilTree Yes we pay for it. No it's not the same pile of money. Or else the way each level of govts run in Canada be all kerfuffled more than they already are already. If you want, I can explain the basics of Canadian govt |
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| Originally posted by geroin can someone tell me what the fuck are we doing in Afghanistan spending millions of dollars (to this day i don't know why are we there) |
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| Originally posted by Swamper We're there because Canada is a part of NATO. |
Toronto Police Services Stands To Lose $10M
Friday July 20, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff
The TTC isn't the only city service that's facing major cuts as the Toronto Police Service is also being asked to slash about $10 million from its budget.
While officials with the force and the Police Service Board are committed to maintaining staff levels, they could target overtime. It appears the extra hours are eating up $35 million of the forces nearly $800 million financial plan.
"I believe that the chief manages the premium pay very well, but nevertheless I think that's a big account that is deserving of a very careful look to see if there's anything we can do because that's a big part of the money," said Alok Mukherjee, Chair of Police Services Board.
Emergency services like fire and ambulance are also being asked to slice anywhere from $25 to $30 million.
i'm still surprised that the TTC uses half of the city's budget and is only used by what... around 20% of the population? if they got rid of half the damn execs (minus the severance packages... lol) that would fix the problem.
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| Originally posted by Tordan i'm still surprised that the TTC uses half of the city's budget and is only used by what... around 20% of the population? if they got rid of half the damn execs (minus the severance packages... lol) that would fix the problem. |
The tax increases
Those land transfer tax increases were LUDICROUS.
For those of you who don't know what they are, please read the following:
On an average house of $400 K, you have to pay $9 K in a one time land transfer tax to the provincial government. This is a one time tax grab only.
With Miller's proposal, that would have doubled to $18 K!! That would mainly affect the houses in the core as the tax did not apply to the suburbs.
Which means, more people could afford to live in the burbs and therefore we would need more transit to get them into the city...madness.
The city government should be making it cheaper to live in high density core dwellings, not more expensive, to decrease the burden on transportation. The car tax made sense, the land transfer tax DID NOT.
Economics 101 Mr. Miller...I guess they don't teach that at Harvard any more??
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