Originally posted by Vlad
Tommy Lee Jones isnt in Under Siege 2, hes in the first one. The second one is on a train, the movie is called Dark Territory.
Out for Justice and Under Siege are my 2 favorites.
my bad its a typo
Posted by Spike on Jul-23-2007 18:20:
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Originally posted by dj tek
Out For Justice... easily his best movie..
"anybody seen richie ?"
lol
great scene lol
Posted by jester on Jul-23-2007 18:29:
FTW
Posted by Inertia on Jul-23-2007 18:29:
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Originally posted by chrisday
Hes supposedly a hell of a martial artist. Great build and stature for it as well.
only when you suppose wrong. he's now a grandmaster in one of the aikido lineages in japan, which means.... SHIT. aikido has to be the most gayed up martial art ever, with few schools practicing anything worth training any more. he just does compliant drills and techniques, where he gets a crappy jointlock and the partner voluntarily jumps through the air.
sure, it looks pretty. AND RANDORI DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN THREE MAN ATTACK. it's just free-form sparring.
you can google the story of when he got too smart with movie stuntman, "Judo" Gene Lebell. one of the best american judokas ever, who among many things, trained Bruce Lee in some grappling/groundfighting. basically, Segal he was talking about being a badass, how his aikido was ftw, and Gene said he could probably choke him out.
accounts say Gene went at him, grabbed him and applied a choke, but Segal argued he was not ready yet, so Gene let go, let him get ready, and went at him again. long story short, it ended up with Segal actually CRAPPING HIS MOTHERFUCKING PANTS and waking up minutes later from unconsciousness.
Gene was an old timer by the time this happened as well. it is said Steven fired him and all the other stuntment, and they've never worked in a Segal related project again. hah.
ninja edit: Chuck Norris on the other hand, is a blackbelt in many reputable systems of martial arts, and has proved his fighting ability many times. sure, it's nothing like in the movies, but in reality, he is a truly proficient fighter, and even started his own fighting promotion, The World Combat League, where there is real full contact fighting.
Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segal
Posted by Vlad on Jul-23-2007 18:41:
Inertia, those joint locks are actually really... yes, the martial artist give themselves up and voluntarily hop into the throw - the thing is, they dont have a choice - if they dont give themselves up, they risk breaking their elbow and tearing out all the ligaments associated with it.
Jui-jitsu, Judo and Combat Sambo are probably the most practical fighting styles on the planet. You skip all the amature pushing and shoving... just grab the guy, take him down and make him cry.
Posted by Inertia on Jul-23-2007 19:09:
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Originally posted by Vlad
Inertia, those joint locks are actually really... yes, the martial artist give themselves up and voluntarily hop into the throw - the thing is, they dont have a choice - if they dont give themselves up, they risk breaking their elbow and tearing out all the ligaments associated with it.
Jui-jitsu, Judo and Combat Sambo are probably the most practical fighting styles on the planet. You skip all the amature pushing and shoving... just grab the guy, take him down and make him cry.
while, that may be arguable, the reality of the fact is no one will ever attack in a way such a jointlock is practical. not to mention, if you grab someone like that, they're going to change positions, jump on you, try to get their hand out of the grab, or maybe... JUST MAYBE... PUNCH YOU.
i've done some hapkido (korean aikido) and the jointlocks/wristgrabs are fucking cool to practice, but you'll basically never use them. whereas, when i've done judo randori, first theres the standup grappling, which normally leads to someone getting thrown or fucking slammed into the ground. hard. it hurts. and it doesn't look pretty (well, sometimes it does, when you get SERIOUSLY pwnt). then, you go ground grappling, and yes, someone just might cry.
you do not see crappy martial arts styles in places like the UFC, Pride and whatnot for a simple reason: they suck. however, tried and proven styles like judo show you it can very well be traditional and old, and still work.
Karo Parisyan executes an uchi-mata variation throw on Chris Lytle:
as pretty as Steve's tomfoolery? no.
does it work better? you fucking bet.
Posted by dj tek on Jul-23-2007 19:15:
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Originally posted by Spike
great scene lol
lmao..word
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 19:17:
my spiritual adviser told me to post in this thread.
Posted by Vlad on Jul-23-2007 19:21:
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Originally posted by Inertia
Karo Parisyan executes an uchi-mata variation throw on Chris Lytle:
I did Judo and Sambo for 3 years (never faught in tournaments though, it was just out of interest when I was a kid), and trust me, I know all about throwing and getting thrown.
I was at the beach one night with a couple of friends, and one of them trained Judo for like 10-15 years in russia and he was showing me these advanced throws which, although not practical, were pretty fucking cool.
Honestly, if someone gets in your face, a shoulder or hip throw is more than enough to suffice, with position to get into a kimura.
Posted by cheshirepk8 on Jul-23-2007 22:14:
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Originally posted by Inertia
Karo Parisyan executes an uchi-mata variation throw on Chris Lytle:
Dude Karo is scary... My friend got me into UFC. Some of the shit they land is frightening.
I would type more, but i am tired, hungover and want to go home.
More later...
Posted by Vlad on Jul-23-2007 22:46:
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Originally posted by cheshirepk8
Dude Karo is scary... My friend got me into UFC. Some of the shit they land is frightening.
I would type more, but i am tired, hungover and want to go home.
More later...
UFC is bullshit, if you want to see good stuff, Pride and K1 is where all of the best fighters faught.
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 22:47:
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Originally posted by Vlad
UFC is bullshit, if you want to see good stuff, Pride and K1 is where all of the best fighters faught.
what about boxing?
...anybody?
...anybody?
Posted by Vlad on Jul-23-2007 22:50:
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Originally posted by inconspicuous
what about boxing?
...anybody?
...anybody?
You cant replicate the beauty of a kick to the head. Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jul-23-2007 22:51:
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Originally posted by inconspicuous
what about boxing?
...anybody?
...anybody?
ufc, pride, and k1 make boxing look like "dancing with the stars" ... Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 22:52:
I'd much rather see a boxing match than any of those, but I seem to be part of a rapidly diminishing niche.
Posted by Zild on Jul-23-2007 22:57:
Boxing is boring but I still like it.
Posted by Vlad on Jul-23-2007 22:57:
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Originally posted by inconspicuous
I'd much rather see a boxing match than any of those, but I seem to be part of a rapidly diminishing niche.
The kinds of boxing matches worth watching:
A. Dont last long
B. Happen EVERY SO RARELY.
Posted by nchs09 on Jul-23-2007 22:57:
best segal movie...
best and segal should not be used in the same sentence.. actually movie and segal should not be used in the same sentence because he makes shit, not movies
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 22:59:
good heavyweight division = good boxing
it sucks now, so people think boxing is boring. It trickles down from the top, even though there are some unbelievable fighters in the other divisions, almost nobody cares about any of it.
Posted by Zild on Jul-23-2007 23:01:
You're right they need a better heavyweight division. It just seems silly to me watching two guys I could pick up and throw with one arm rabbit punch each other for points.
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 23:01:
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Originally posted by Vlad
The kinds of boxing matches worth watching:
A. Dont last long
B. Happen EVERY SO RARELY.
that liddell/ortiz fight was right up there with tyson's quickest ones
the good ones last longer, imo, but the sport still needs knockouts to maintain interest. late round KOs make for the most excitement, but when there are good fighters, it matters a lot less.
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 23:03:
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Originally posted by Zild
You're right they need a better heavyweight division. It just seems silly to me watching two guys I could pick up and throw with one arm rabbit punch each other for points.
I love watching guys like Mayweather & Wright, but you're definitely in the majority on that one. Even though Floyd's one of the best welterweights of all time, imo, nobody even knew about him 'til the de la hoya fight.
Posted by Googooly on Jul-23-2007 23:04:
rubish.
Posted by shaw on Jul-23-2007 23:05:
no u
Posted by Zild on Jul-23-2007 23:08:
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Originally posted by inconspicuous
I love watching guys like Mayweather & Wright, but you're definitely in the majority on that one. Even though Floyd's one of the best welterweights of all time, imo, nobody even knew about him 'til the de la hoya fight.
I really like Wright, and I feel he was robbed on Saturday. I thought the fight was more of a draw than anything.
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