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Originally posted by squirrelly I just applied to a private uni. It's going to multiply my costs 8 times but I'm just so pissed off I don't even want to step foot on that stupid fucking campus ever again. The private uni is willing to help me with financial aid right away and put me in classes in August where the old school told me I'd have to pay out of pocket my first year back. take that you sons of bitches!

Do what you have to do!

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Originally posted by Zild That happened to me too. I was going to get a two semesters of Fs dropped through a medical withdraw, but it would have meant I would have fucked up my financial aid. So I took my lumps and took the GPA hit.

luckily i was attending the cc when i applied for the medical withdraw, so it didn't affect my financial aid. I just got WP (withdraw pass) in all the classes I was taking (5).

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Originally posted by squirrelly I just applied to a private uni. It's going to multiply my costs 8 times but I'm just so pissed off I don't even want to step foot on that stupid fucking campus ever again. The private uni is willing to help me with financial aid right away and put me in classes in August where the old school told me I'd have to pay out of pocket my first year back. take that you sons of bitches!

Sounds like you're getting the better deal. Private schools tend to offer better programs than public schools anyway.

I just said fuck it and took the Fs. I think like 25 hours worth. Screw it though I'm still passing and I'm still going to graduate. I wish I could have afforded to have paid for it out of my pocket, but I'll live.

It's quite frustrating as an employer as well because so many of the engineers we hire have graduate degrees from prestigious institutions, but they have no real ability to independently reason beyond and build upon what they have learned at school - so they quickly prove inadequate on the job. In terms of separating a good candidate from a bad candidate, education is probably the criterion I find least useful, mainly because of the failings of the universities themselves.

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Originally posted by squirrelly luckily i was attending the cc when i applied for the medical withdraw, so it didn't affect my financial aid. I just got WP (withdraw pass) in all the classes I was taking (5).

Yeah... it sucks right now, but i am trying to fix it.

it's just horrible that you need to work twice as hard because something happened.
it's not like i was flipping skipping classes to have orgies. I was stuck at home in a ridiculous amount of pain, with no painkillers because the school insurance doesn't cover pills. shoot me.

I am glad that it sounds like it is going to work out!
and it's true that private colleges have more flexibility with what they can offer.

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Originally posted by Arbiter It's quite frustrating as an employer as well because so many of the engineers we hire have graduate degrees from prestigious institutions, but they have no real ability to independently reason beyond and build upon what they have learned at school - so they quickly prove inadequate on the job. In terms of separating a good candidate from a bad candidate, education is probably the criterion I find least useful, mainly because of the failings of the universities themselves.

some kid came into our work with a degree and he knew NOTHING about how our business works. I was thinking "wtf seriously? this kid is a fucking moron."

people who work hard and have been with the company for years > people who schmutzed their way through college and have a degree

for promotions I think.

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Originally posted by Arbiter It's quite frustrating as an employer as well because so many of the engineers we hire have graduate degrees from prestigious institutions, but they have no real ability to independently reason beyond and build upon what they have learned at school - so they quickly prove inadequate on the job. In terms of separating a good candidate from a bad candidate, education is probably the criterion I find least useful, mainly because of the failings of the universities themselves.

Except for the fact that without a frikken piece of paper that says i am cool... i can't even get an interview for an engineering job.
that's why i am trying to do the two AA degrees with Comp Sci + Comp Eng. At least that way i will have two mini-degrees while i work on the Bach. Maybe i could intern or hold someone's coffee cup.

My professors say they always have problems with the engineering students cheating, so I can imagine.

The biology majors are pretty bad as well.

my man graduated with an electrical engineering degree. his job is paying for him to get his masters.

smartest boy I have ever known.

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Originally posted by squirrelly my man graduated with an electrical engineering degree. his job is paying for him to get his masters. smartest boy I have ever known.

yeah, my brother just finished his Civil Engineering degree.
he got the frikken air force to pay for it.

now he gets to travel around the country for a couple years with the AF paying for everything.

stupid butthead who did his homework!! grrr... showing me up!

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Originally posted by Arbiter It's quite frustrating as an employer as well because so many of the engineers we hire have graduate degrees from prestigious institutions, but they have no real ability to independently reason beyond and build upon what they have learned at school - so they quickly prove inadequate on the job. In terms of separating a good candidate from a bad candidate, education is probably the criterion I find least useful, mainly because of the failings of the universities themselves.

there seems to actually be multiple intelligences, and the one useful in school is not necessarily the one useful in the real world


thats the whole reason I switched my major years ago. I was graduating with idiots. We took a materials class on steel, at the end I asked this one guy what steel actually is, and he couldnt answer, but he passed.


gooooood luck with the private school....if that doesn't work out you can take my class at unlv mmkay

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Originally posted by cheshirepk8 Except for the fact that without a frikken piece of paper that says i am cool... i can't even get an interview for an engineering job. that's why i am trying to do the two AA degrees with Comp Sci + Comp Eng. At least that way i will have two mini-degrees while i work on the Bach. Maybe i could intern or hold someone's coffee cup.

Yeah, that is the unfortunate reality. A person's educational background doesn't tell me a lot about what kind of contribution they can make, but there still needs to be a relevant educational background.

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Originally posted by Arbiter It's quite frustrating as an employer as well because so many of the engineers we hire have graduate degrees from prestigious institutions, but they have no real ability to independently reason beyond and build upon what they have learned at school - so they quickly prove inadequate on the job. In terms of separating a good candidate from a bad candidate, education is probably the criterion I find least useful, mainly because of the failings of the universities themselves.

i couldn't agree with you more. i have seen many instances where co-workers would have a good educational background, but really don't know much about the professional side. however, i have also ran into co workers that know a whole bunch about the professional side, but when you tell them to draw out a diagram or make a report, they would be lost, and take a really long time. imo, education prepares you for organizational skills, but doesn't really prepare you real world experiences. got to have both a solid educational and professional background.

lol that was off topic.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 there seems to actually be multiple intelligences, and the one useful in school is not necessarily the one useful in the real world

Reminds me of something a psych teacher once told me.

The higher you score on an I.Q. test, the better you are at taking I.Q. tests.

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Originally posted by Project-K Reminds me of something a psych teacher once told me. The higher you score on an I.Q. test, the better you are at taking I.Q. tests.

hahahahaha
nice one.

best of luck squirrelly

Omer

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Originally posted by squirrelly F@#^ this crap! Why is it so damn hard to get an education in this f*&#ing country?!?!?!

while i get why you are pissed, try coming to a 3rd world country before you say your educational system sucks.

so you had bad grades before? they kinda add-up.

but i can see what you are saying. i know for my school classes transfer but not a gap. say i made 5 a's in another school, i come back to my current school, they just accept the classes as "taken" but they dont care what i got, as long as it was not a D or F

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Originally posted by Inertia while i get why you are pissed, try coming to a 3rd world country before you say your educational system sucks.

my school in third world countries is so tip top compared to the crap they teach here in the US.


but alas poeple care more about a degree from a university here in the united states than they do over another foreign universities. both here in the us and outside of it sadly.


im shure i could get an education from the catolica de chile, or the tech de monterrey (some of the best universities in latin america) and noone would hire me here.

well, over here, unless its a private school, then it's not an education. the public education system is practically non-existent. what few public schools are functioning have 60-80 kids in classrooms not big enough for half, where 5 kids have to share one notebook, and lean on a concrete block if they want something to balance when they write in it.

i am not kidding.

i will admit the education from some private schools is pretty damn good, but still, you don't have AP classes or introductory college courses. hell, some kids never even learn any organic chem. while in HS, in some fucking expensive high schools.

universities? well, given the piece of shit teachers i am delighted to have at one of this country's top 3 universities (if not #1 itself) well... what can i say, i am not very pleased. the leader of the department of physics basically stated that acceleration, velocity and time have very little relation in my Physics 101 class. it was very fun getting shit wrong on the test when it was right, my physics teacher from high school couldn't help but laugh when i showed him.

edit: ooh. my philosophy teacher happened to be a priest, and hassled me a few times about being a jew. it was funny though, cause i would run circles around him and his bible thumping in class, and the rest of the students would end up questioning him and his holy ways, so i didn't have to. my dad got kicked out of this same university because of a priest that was a philosophy teacher as well. the priest tried to slap him tho, and my dad gave him a nice right cross. dad went on to study at the Bosch technical school in germany anyway.

ahh, the joy of education.

As Organic chem is sophomore level and above I'd expect that they don't teach it at most high schools. Especially in a third world country.


Your physics professor sounds like he is an idiot. Everyone knows that acceleration is the derivative of velocity which is the derivative of displacement which has everything to do with time.

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Originally posted by Zild As Organic chem is sophomore level and above I'd expect that they don't teach it at most high schools. Especially in a third world country.

well, i coursed 1st to 6th grade at Saint Michael's School, which is a north american school here. then i did the rest of my years at a dominican school. we have something like SATs here, everyone goes and takes them the same day, so you see a lot of old friends. when i met my old friends from SMS, i had to give them a general rundown of organic chem since they hadn't even touched it.

and that's a fucking expensive private school here (which is why i left, couldn't pay that shit)

That sucks. Here there is only math and verbal on the SATs. No chemistry.

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Originally posted by Inertia well, over here, unless its a private school, then it's not an education. the public education system is practically non-existent. what few public schools are functioning have 60-80 kids in classrooms not big enough for half, where 5 kids have to share one notebook, and lean on a concrete block if they want something to balance when they write in it. i am not kidding. i will admit the education from some private schools is pretty damn good, but still, you don't have AP classes or introductory college courses. hell, some kids never even learn any organic chem. while in HS, in some fucking expensive high schools. universities? well, given the piece of shit teachers i am delighted to have at one of this country's top 3 universities (if not #1 itself) well... what can i say, i am not very pleased. the leader of the department of physics basically stated that acceleration, velocity and time have very little relation in my Physics 101 class. it was very fun getting shit wrong on the test when it was right, my physics teacher from high school couldn't help but laugh when i showed him. edit: ooh. my philosophy teacher happened to be a priest, and hassled me a few times about being a jew. it was funny though, cause i would run circles around him and his bible thumping in class, and the rest of the students would end up questioning him and his holy ways, so i didn't have to. my dad got kicked out of this same university because of a priest that was a philosophy teacher as well. the priest tried to slap him tho, and my dad gave him a nice right cross. dad went on to study at the Bosch technical school in germany anyway. ahh, the joy of education.

ya private schools is where its at in latin america, but there is such a wide range in prices, that its affordable for alot of poeple (of course poverty is so extreme in our countires that of course when i say affordable, i am using the term very loosely)

and lol at your philosophy professor and his crusades.

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Originally posted by Zild That sucks. Here there is only math and verbal on the SATs. No chemistry.

we have math, language (verbal + literature), geography, sciences (chem, physics, biology) and history. its not REALLY an SAT, i'm just kind of comparing that. unis don't even see your score for it. all you have to do is pass. you take these once in the 8th grade, and once after you graduate HS. no chem or physics in the 8th grade though.

its a fucking joke tho. no one ever fails, unless they almost got everything wrong. schools look really bad if they have a high fail rate, so schools pay off the state most of the time. even still, the test just covers an uber-broad range of things, very generally. as long as you attended a few weeks of class in the year, you should get by on your own steam perfectly.

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