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I would be pretty bitter, too, if all I ever typed on the forum was "RTFM".

I gotta agree with Booster on this one. Look at the threads over a given period and the same things get asked again and again, mostly by people who just can't be bothered to search, and in a lot of these cases, by noobs. I've got nothing against noobs - we all start somewhere but someone with no experience can learn a great deal from TA just by searching, reading current posts, going through the tutorials without having to post anything.

I know I'm guilty of having a crack now and then at dumb questions but fuck me, If another person comes on this forum asking why their system doesn't work now that they have installed vista I think I'll shove a copy of XP...........in the post (see I am helpful)

I think some traffic has slowed on this forum, because of the decreasing quality of the posts and discussions - not that people are being too moody. I think a lot of seasoned users (many of whom have weighed in on this thread) are not getting as much out of this forum as they could or used to.

You will find a mix of people here most of which are very knowledgeable and helpful, and in the vast majority of cases, if a post is left unanswered it probably just means it's been answered a thousand time before.

I disagree that that D&B (at least in the most part for the UK and europe) is more popular than trance. Trance has suffered here in the UK over the last few years but more and more it's recently been becoming less of a dirty word (especially in the EDM press) as the cheesemongers find themselves unable to peddle their dross.

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Not everyone here is bitter, of course. Most of us aren't. The ones here that are bitter just stand out more, because they make a lot of noise.

Bingo.

Myself, I am very much a "smart-ass" sometimes, but that doesn't mean I'm never helpful. I think most of the "smart-asses" on here are like that.

Not that there aren't ever unneeded comments, but... just get over it and don't fuel the fire, IMO.

Unfortunately sarcasm is often misunderstood as bitterness.

I agree with DJ Rann pretty much 100%. While I recognize that the search button doesn't always work like a charm, there are some things that are very easy to find. Especially if you just look in that neat little post up at the top of the page. It's amazing what I've learned from the main tutorial post.

Furthermore, I think most of the users are about as helpful as they can be. Sometimes they may go about it with a hint of grumpiness, but it's really hard to not get frustrated when you read the hundredth post asking how to remove vocals from a mix, or what settings to use on a compressor. There are only so many things you can help people with.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Unfortunately sarcasm is often misunderstood as bitterness.

Definitely... especially on the Internets.

Some of the most sarcastic people on here are also the most helpful, IMO.

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Originally posted by david.michael Definitely... especially on the Internets. Some of the most sarcastic people on here are also the most helpful, IMO.

Very true. The same can be said for those who flame or have a go at dumb questions - there is usually a solution provided along with the rant.

I feel jealous though. I've only got one internet.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Very true. The same can be said for those who flame or have a go at dumb questions - there is usually a solution provided along with the rant. I feel jealous though. I've only got one internet.

You're missing out... there are so many Internets that are ripe for the flaming.

I'm still fairly new here and I've even noticed there seems to be a bit of redundancy with some of the questions that get asked in this forum.

I can see how it can get aggravating after a while.

I lurk here fairly often mostly to read the information and advice, if I have a question I make it a point to search thoroughly to see if the answers I'm seeking have not already been posted, not because some people here get annoyed by frequently asked question but because I don't want to look like an idiot.

I'm a member at a couple of musically related message forums and the atmosphere is pretty much the same everywhere, people get fed up with lazy people not willing to put forth the effort to find what they need.

I think that's just human nature.

intelligent people, who actually have a passion for this, try to figure out stuff on their own first...and seek help when they need it. most people post here for a quick fix without wanting to put any effort in.

as said above, prolly 80% of the people that post stupid questions in here want to know how to do a certain thing in belief that it will instantly after 5 minutes of producing give them a record deal.

When you put down 8 years into something and try to share as much as possible of your experiences AND try to do it in a way so that people in the future also can take part of that knowledge by just reading what you've already written before you get pretty tired when people create new threads over and over again about the same things.

The information is here if you just search, it's the people that doesn't even bother to search that get a flame from me...simply because I'm all through evil...and have a death list to fill!

I'm not sure what to do when I see the "same" threads... I don't want to or have time to be the asshole who remembers every thread and closes all of them that we've seen before, that's illogical, I'm just not sure how to deal with it.

A great example of what we need more of is a thread going in in the DJ BOOTH : Thread

We can't forget one thing - Trance does attract people of younger age in some case, where their only contact with anything technical or indeed real studio problems are through what is printed in PR and advertising controlled magazines (SOS/DJ/FM etc.) or through hearing from someone else. A lot of us who have years of hands on experience have a certain level of understanding which means certain things are "given knowledge".

I think the main beef with dumb newbie questions (please not differentiation between newbie and dumb newbie questions) is not the lack of knowledge but the lack of effort put in researching the question your going to ask.

Think about it: when you were or are in school/ work, there is a certain refrain from asking a obvious question for fear of looking like a dumbass in front of your peers. online forums don't have that risk (pre-question), so many people just ask before putting their brain in gear and thinking that seasoned users might be annoyed that all the advice that has gone before is ignored.

Vizay makes a good point too, that some think that in 5 mins you're going to get a record deal. Look at the respected producers and DJ's (in any genre) out there at the moment - they have been plugging away for years (more than 10 in most cases) as have their 100 other talented and experienced mates who will never get any recognition due to luck or timing.

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Originally posted by ralpheeee I think it's coz a lot of people here would like to pretend they are "pros" when in fact they are pimply faced pubescent little kids with one hand on their knob at all times. They think by rubbishing people it makes them look 133t.

Didn't get your question answered, eh?

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I'm not sure what to do when I see the "same" threads... I don't want to or have time to be the asshole who remembers every thread and closes all of them that we've seen before, that's illogical, I'm just not sure how to deal with it.

Those threads eventually sink to the bottom anyway. I'd say just close the ones that devolve into flame wars.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I'm not sure what to do when I see the "same" threads... I don't want to or have time to be the asshole who remembers every thread and closes all of them that we've seen before, that's illogical, I'm just not sure how to deal with it.

don't speak like that ... I mean you should have instincts telling you what to do ...

this way someone's just going to ask "Why are you a moderator, then?"

Why is everyone so bitter here?

Your answer:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...0&forumid=48&s=

Hey, we all start somewhere. It's alllll good.

People just get pissy because, as in any forum, there is only so much information that gets stated over and over again, so for veterans it becomes highly redundant.

Of course, the forum itself might adopt certain standards for what is acceptably "correct", but it may often be, but it also can stifle new trends and ideas if people aren't cautious to keep an open mind and an open ear.

Besides, production is something that you will always learn something new about.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Hey, we all start somewhere. It's alllll good. People just get pissy because, as in any forum, there is only so much information that gets stated over and over again, so for veterans it becomes highly redundant.

I don't believe that's totally true, the information that lands here is totally up to us users to decide what it should be about.

Take a peak at gearslutz, they often run discussions about interesting and advanced topics without getting to redundant.

And jsut hold on, I don't mean that we should try to turn this forum into a yuber eliteish part of the internet but there are subjects to discuss that haven't been discussed before. We are not even close to havind discovered them all...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DigiNut
Didn't get your question answered, eh?

Nope.... Still trying to find out how to make my million dollar smash release uber supersaw ASOT anthem.

i suggest getting the Armin van Buuren Supersaw-anthem-a-minute. in 3 easy steps you too could change the face of dance music.

batteries not included.

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Originally posted by Vizay I don't believe that's totally true, the information that lands here is totally up to us users to decide what it should be about. Take a peak at gearslutz, they often run discussions about interesting and advanced topics without getting to redundant.

Thats precisely because they're 'interesting and advanced topics' and not 'how do I make a supersaw' or whatever the usual question is (On DoA its 'how do I make a reese' or 'how do I make a Pendulum snare').

well, this is probably one of the main factors that sorta kept me away from the forum. no offence but this forum ain't what it used to be back then.

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Originally posted by LENG well, this is probably one of the main factors that sorta kept me away from the forum. no offence but this forum ain't what it used to be back then.

+1 sadly.

Then why don't we change that and post of some meaty/discussions questions????

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Originally posted by Vizay I don't believe that's totally true, the information that lands here is totally up to us users to decide what it should be about. Take a peak at gearslutz, they often run discussions about interesting and advanced topics without getting to redundant. And jsut hold on, I don't mean that we should try to turn this forum into a yuber eliteish part of the internet but there are subjects to discuss that haven't been discussed before. We are not even close to havind discovered them all...

I agree.

But the graph is exponential, with time on your x axis, and data redundancy on the y axis.

yes most of the people who post these questions are newbies or they may be acting like newbies ,to get a trick to figure something out they did not know,but in the end they will be the ones who are hurt by gaining knowledge and not knowing what to do with it,so if your a newbie just do a search chances are your question has been answered 1000 times by now.

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