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Originally posted by Masonious i just don't understand how he can jump to the conclusion that, "his old acquaintance" is "always negative" if he hadn't seen him in years and only spent 30 minutes with him.

Well yes, that I agree with. I agree with a few of the generic blanket statements in this article, but not that particular anecdote. And the whole "energy flow" thing was laughable. I started thinking of psychic hotlines.

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Do you walk away from her problems after 30 minutes or tell her that she's living in a self-made prison and that she's an energy vampire? If you do then yes, you are a pretentious fuckhead, but I highly doubt that's how you handle it.

lol, definitely not how I handle it.

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Originally posted by Zoso Masonious is so powerful that he reproduces asexually through sheer will power.

that must be why im asexual too.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps that must be why im asexual too.

a sexual what?

/lame

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Originally posted by Masonious

i agree with you on many points;
the 30 minutes thing, people complain occasionally, and that people go though serious shit and need a true friend to help.

that's not what he's talking about though.
he's talking about the people that 90% of the time bitch, whine and complain incessantly- ooh, my pussy hurts- waaaaahhh!
to me it's incredibly annoying.
STFU and deal with it.
life it tough, suck it up and drive on.
when i am around people like this for extended periods of time, i think;
if i break their jaw, then they won't be able to talk for 3 months while it is wired shut and maybe they will think what comes out of it.
maybe the experience will make them grow the fuck up a little and get just hard enough where every flippin' thing isn't some trauma to drama.

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Originally posted by VAR i agree with you on many points; the 30 minutes thing, people complain occasionally, and that people go though serious shit and need a true friend to help. that's not what he's talking about though. he's talking about the people that 90% of the time bitch, whine and complain incessantly- ooh, my pussy hurts- waaaaahhh! to me it's incredibly annoying. STFU and deal with it. life it tough, suck it up and drive on. when i am around people like this for extended periods of time, i think; if i break their jaw, then they won't be able to talk for 3 months while it is wired shut and maybe they will think what comes out of it. maybe the experience will make them grow the fuck up a little and get just hard enough where every flippin' thing isn't some trauma to drama.

has obviously never had a vaginal injury.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps has obviously never had a vaginal injury.

you neither, stfu

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Originally posted by noikeee you neither, stfu

no, but mine sure ached after they put it in for a good number of weeks.

or maybe that was the phantom penis

Positivity is the corporate new competence.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Positivity is the corporate new competence.

thaaatt...doesn't make sense

"No matter what happens, stay positive"

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Originally posted by Masonious thaaatt...doesn't make sense

Companies dictate much of the psychological world - they decide when things change and when they do not. Of course corporations are not the only distributer of mentality, but they sure do make their contributions.

Happy, content, positive people are easy to control - they react well to simple incentives and also perform well, especially when tasked with motivating others to share their viewpoint. After all, simple minds are very much attracted to simple payoffs. And so corporations prescribe things like motivational speaking and awesome little posters plastered all over cubicle walls with a really well-processed photograph of somebody performing a daunting task like climbing a mountain without gear or riding their bicycle on the golden gate bridge with cool little 1-word slogans in boldface at the bottom such as INTEGRITY or PERSEVERANCE and a handy little explanation written by some guy in an office somewhere whose sole job is to explain the relevance of motivational words to people via posters. Corporations invest in a positive mindset to reduce the side effects of not doing so - that is, to cut out things such as suicide, strike, discontent, severance turnout, the cost of training new employees, free thought. After all, Dave 2 cubicles down and to the right gets a whole lot more work done when he has posters to distract him from the triteness of making 650 copies of the IS-165 report manually because IT Business #9082305 can't spring to have the copier repaired.

"Well gee, Dave sure isn't all that good at his job, but he's got the right attitude, and that's all that counts!"

And so we have a generation of people raised and rewarded to be positive in life. Because things are always bound to look up when you only look at the bright side of things rather than the whole truth. Right?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On

I don't think that genuinely happy, confident people are the easiest to control at all. A "consumer society," in order to keep running, must rely on people being perpetually dissatisfied with their current financial / physical / emotional state. If somebody's happy just doing what he has always done, owning what he has always owned, it will be a lot tougher to convince him that his life is inadequate, that he needs to buy something, go to war, or adopt an ideology in order to give his existence some meaning.

Convince people that they're at risk for all sorts of physical and mental health problems so that they'll attach themselves to doctors. Whip up some fear of "terror" or whatever else so that they'll sign up for wars. The message is clear: you're surrounded by threats that you aren't knowledgeable or powerful enough to deal with on your own, so let the "authorities" take care of things and make your decisions for you. Fear, outrage, and greed: probably the three easiest emotions with which to bring about a mob mentality and ease of control.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On And so we have a generation of people raised and rewarded to be positive in life. Because things are always bound to look up when you only look at the bright side of things rather than the whole truth. Right?

Nope
First sign of any serious trouble in their life they crack, fall down and are unable to cope with failure. We're not talking about the niggly little bits of day to day drudgery, but serious, life-screwing, soul destroying, utter failure.
It's not so much the fact that they are expected to battle through it with nothing more than a smile, happy thoughts and cheery attitude, its the simple fact their psyche is ill-equipped to deal with the enormity of the problem they're now facing and wandering around in some gormless, doe eyed form of denial.
Then, they crack.
Wandering through lifes problems as realistically and bluntly as possible prepares you for the miserable periods by at least rational analysis of it. There is no point in smiling when your house burns down, lose your job and still owe the bank 300k in mortgage repayments because the insurance won't pay up... then in some kind of smart-arse self delusion go "Oh well, least I've got my health!"

Bollocks to that.
Get angry, miserable and pissed off at it, because it sucks, it isn't fair and anyone that doesn't like it or wanders up with some 'helpful advice about staying happy', can essentially ram it up their rectum for all it's worth.
And after the enormity and depth of the crap/how badly you're screwed is realised, then it's time to start picking through it as carefully and tediously as need be to extract yourself from that problem. But there's really no point in trying to be positive about it, because if you fail there again, the damage to any esteem and sensibility you've got left is compounded to the point where you really will end up the lowest form of life and there's no point being happy about being at that level!
You're just locking yourself into a sense of being happy, about being utterly screwed and that's where the real problem starts as your twisting and lying to your own emotional state to the point where the lie, becomes the reality and you're happy being in utter misery.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think that genuinely happy, confident people are the easiest to control at all.

Unless they are not genuinely happy at all. They've been reading too much Steve Pavlina and self-help books and own too many motivational posters to be convinced that they are unhappy in the least. Well, on the outside, at least. The fears run far deeper and, as you said, fear is a great route for control.

Would you say that the majority of people out there are genuinely happy and confident with their lives?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Would you say that the majority of people out there are genuinely happy and confident with their lives?

Nope.

That's another interesting aspect of the situation, the self-doubt and dishonesty generated by the conflicting messages of "be positive!" and "fear crime, fear terror, and buy lots of stuff or else you'll be inadequate!"

I think people are misunderstanding some things here.. i don't think being positive/negative is necessarily related to the ability of handling problems in your life:

- you can be positive and let that "positive energy" push yourself in a hard situation to keep yourself sane, and realise you can still comeback to a good situation if you fight hard.

- you can be positive and because of it, go into shock when a hard situation comes, because all your life you were never faced with a negative situation, you never thought it could happen to you, and therefore don't know how to deal with it.

- you can be negative and when a tough situation comes, you completely wreck yourself by letting negativity make things look even worse than what they are.

- you can be negative and because of it, not be very surprised when a tough situation comes because your negativity gets yourself always ready for the worst case situation. then you're mentally prepared to handle the situation.

Handling tough situations IMO is more about having a good ability to fight. But overall I'd say positivity tends to help, as long as it's an healthy kind of positivity.

Succeeding in life is all about getting a good balance of things.

i get stressed out and depressed alot, i find listening to music and working out helps alot for me, or going for a walk to clear ur head, take a run.

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