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Yup...I remember when Trance and Techno ruled...You heard harder stuff being played everywhere you go. I guess people are growing old and tired and can't handle that type of music anymore, who knows...as someone mentioned before, blame the natural progression of music.
Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

Techo head vs MTLTA.

Dude come on, there are just so few situations anymore where the bpm needs to go above 140, listen to Armin even and his really shitty new productions, they are at a VERY reasonable BPM and aren't just aggerp'd bass set to 1/16 gate for 7 minutes.

Melodies, well concieved basslines, and great effects will ALWAYS dominate a hard kick and a repetitive bassline that's going at 135+ bpm, we all know how much of a joke our music is to Mix96ers, but in truth the vast majority of good house and trance music has great elements that actually make it sound like a SONG, not a loop.

Anything above 140 bpm is getting way too fast but there are still a lot of good ones. Its hard to understand whats so good about techno if you wernt around for its little era in montreal. The vibe it brought on the dancefloor was amazing and the energy was so intense that it would be hard for an event today to pump up a crowd as much. The music evolved and now we are listening to more quality music which has been said a few times. Anyways the point to this is don't bash techno! You can bash hard trance and the rest but not techno.

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Originally posted by Techo Head I just don't get why they don't have a club that plays hard trace and techno every weekend. I am sure it would revive the scene.

It didn't revive the scene when Aria was doing a techno weekly, did it? In fact the club couldn't make enough money to support itself. The market just doesn't exist anymore.

i think it died from exhaustion

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Originally posted by Skipper It didn't revive the scene when Aria was doing a techno weekly, did it? In fact the club couldn't make enough money to support itself. The market just doesn't exist anymore.

There is a market for it, but 99.9% of the people in this city listen to commercial shit and go to shiity commercial clubs. That is another reason why nothing works well in this city for the few of us that like quality tunes. We end up going to Mutek, Piknic, Parking, Stereo, plus having small time organizers like Microzoo, I Love Neon (true its not really small).

If people would stop listening to Trance and House, then we might not have a problem. With hearing techno, minimal and electro at clubs thursdays / saturday (commercial clubs)

Also and most people who go to Piknic are stone or high, whatever they are hearing makes them happy, most of them probably couldn't listen to minimal or techno or electro if they weren't high or wasted, only a couple on here probably could be stoned or not and still enjoy it.

I miss the Schranz days

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Originally posted by jesteraver There is a market for it, but 99.9% of the people in this city listen to commercial shit and go to shiity commercial clubs.

If 99.9% of the people don't listen to it, then there's hardly a market.

By "market" I mean a group of people that is big enough to justify the expenses of harder techno events - if Aria couldn't find it on a weekly basis, what makes you think it exists?

There are many factors why techno bookings slowed down in Montreal...
but I also don't think that because Aria had poor turnouts on a number of techno nights that people don't want to listen to that music anymore. Aria had its own problems, and I know more than a handful of tekheads that stopped going out to events there, regardless of the DJ.

I made an effort to coordinate a few techno bookings before I moved overseas, for some artists that haven't played Canada in years... if I would have been able to secure a cozy venue for a reasonable price I am confident it could have happened. (wouldn't have really been 'hard' techno though)
I hope to see some fresh promoters emerge.. you never know

The real, sad truth as to why "techno" is dead in Montreal: decline of heavy drug users. This is a real taboo topic on here so I'll go ahead and crack it open. Whether we like to admit it or not, I think they play a major factor in the after-hours scene. Not a lot people can really dance all night to 140 BPM so the general public turns to drugs for enjoyment.

Now, regardless whether they do it for the music or not, these users are starting to grow up and go somewhere in society. They're starting to have real jobs and/or finishing up a university degree. The days of staying up late and partying are long gone for these people. A lot of people can't really continue anymore because they're done with it all. Some simply wait for the big events to pill themselves out: "if I just pill once a year, I'll be okay!"

The new generation of users are scared of pills. All they do is marijuana (and we all know you can't do afters with only weed!) so eventually, they'll end up crashing in 3 hours and just go home, sleepy. This is why after-hours cannot thrive anymore. Who cares about the music, right? In my opinion, Aria's main client�le simply grew up. I don't think everyone moved to Circus or Stereo because of the music. Circus' attendees are much more different than Aria's and Stereo's. We all know Stereo's target audience, so I won't digress.

Of course, there are people out there who solely go to after-hours JUST for the music. The majority of these people are on TA, regardless whether they do, or have done, drugs. Yes, TA users do pill on here but we all like to keep it hush-hush, it's too taboo! These people, however, have jobs and need to finish up their degrees... same reasons as above, really. If you all haven't figured it out yet, we call these people "chokers" on here.

The EDM scene has failed to publicize the music from early on for the newer generation of party-goers to pick up on. All this shit is underground to begin with; who the fuck knows Pryda? Cirez D? Plastikman? No; all we know is Eric Prydz, Sammy and Ian Van Dahl. Oh yeah, Tiesto too. Of course, over here, we all know that the first two artists I mentioned are Prydz himself, the third being Hawtin's old alias. The general public know about the popular ones I mentioned because they're easy to listen to -- and commercial is just that. Chug down a bottle of Vodka at your favourite underage club (think the old Dome) and you'll have anyone dancing to the hoover sound of a club tune. Commercial is another word saying "it pleases the general public, because it is generic".

An example: anyone here listen to drum and bass? I would say the majority on here would vote "no". Why? Because it's TOO hard and nothing matches, beat-wise. Try dancing to it -- you won't be able to, I'm pretty sure. The commercial scene looks at our scene just like we view the drum and bass scene. Have you guys heard of Klute? Shy FX? High Contrast? Did you know one of these artists actually produces minimal techno now? You've all heard of Dieselboy I bet. He's the Tiesto of DnB I'd say.

Anyway, I hope my long-ass post sheds some sort of light on the subject. +1 Insightful, anyone?

I saw Shy FX last december in Argentina

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Originally posted by PezCore because most of the musik played at eclipse was full-on psy-trance, and it's not a very popular genre. If you listen to more psy-trance sets, you'd realise that some DJs still mix that genre (see Guy Salama). and yes, the music at eclipse ruled !! haven't heard good full-on like that in a long time !

Not very popular? What do you base that on? Full-on is huge all around the world...

As for the original thrust of this thread, sounds like you need to get out of the clubs and go to a real underground event. I know they happen in Montreal.

Totally psy is just such a niche scene you're either in or your out. Sure there are the people who just find out about the outdoor "rave" and decide to go, but psy is like minimal, you're either in or you have no idea what mutek is.

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Originally posted by Skipper If 99.9% of the people don't listen to it, then there's hardly a market. By "market" I mean a group of people that is big enough to justify the expenses of harder techno events - if Aria couldn't find it on a weekly basis, what makes you think it exists?

It doesn't exist in this god forsaken country. Time too move to Berlin.

Also everyone scared of losing money

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Originally posted by basilisk As for the original thrust of this thread, sounds like you need to get out of the clubs and go to a real underground event. I know they happen in Montreal.

+1

One thing haven't listened to psy / goa in while.

One thing if people like Eclipse, Tech Safari has many other smaller things happening at different times during the year, which is great.

One thing, I am happy this city has: Piknic, ILN, Microzoo and all the other small ones Keeps some of us sane during the year.

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Originally posted by jesteraver +1 One thing haven't listened to psy / goa in while. One thing if people like Eclipse, Tech Safari has many other smaller things happening at different times during the year, which is great. One thing, I am happy this city has: Piknic, ILN, Microzoo and all the other small ones Keeps some of us sane during the year.

Are you serious? You just started 3 different sentences in a row with "One thing", come on Jesse, time to change up your signature sentence opener.




Also,

Q:

"Why don't DJ's play hard music anymore?"

A:

"Because you touch yourself at night" - Family Guy

why don't dj's play funky

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Originally posted by Alex Are you serious? You just started 3 different sentences in a row with "One thing", come on Jesse, time to change up your signature sentence opener.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAH

sorry jesse he got you there heheheheheheheh

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Originally posted by Alex Are you serious? You just started 3 different sentences in a row with "One thing", come on Jesse, time to change up your signature sentence opener. Also, Q: "Why don't DJ's play hard music anymore?" A: "Because you touch yourself at night" - Family Guy

It is a free world aint it?! Last time I checked, Canada does not regulate much on the internet. If you do not understand that, guess you don't read the news or hear about it that often. Look it up, "internet" "bush" "law" and a couple other things you mind find out, that Bush wants for some reason to regulate what you post on forums

Anyways I love how most of you go after people minor "faults" when you have your own

I'm just joking around, I hope Bush regulates Forum tantrums

(Again joking)

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Originally posted by julien2

where can i buy this? lol

http://www.ubercoolische.com

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Originally posted by jesteraver It doesn't exist in this god forsaken country. Time too move to Berlin. Also everyone scared of losing money

That's exactly what I'm getting at....if there's no market in canada, that largely explains why bookings for hard DJs have dried up!

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Originally posted by MR.E why don't dj's play funky

Tony Ezzy's ninja moved to Toronto. Who knows what that'll do to the MTL funk scene.

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