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i didnt say more, i said they should (continue to) receive government funding.

BEat Blog, rather than cry poor mate, go out there work your bollocks off and send your kids to a private school!

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Haha...in a way I agree with that, however, only someone who went to a private school would say that! Did you go to a private school Dean? I'm guessing yes.

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By the way, when I say "private"; I'm referring to the twelve or so all boy schools in Melbourne established circa 1900.

The school i went to was established in the 1960's so by your definition i guess i didn't That seems like an odd definition, but then again so is the stereotype

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Originally posted by gumble A higher number of students from private go to university. Around 75% of my year.

and a much higher percentage drop out coz they cant handle the academic freedom

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Originally posted by gumble So all this publicly funded private school nonsense is stupid. We all publicly fund centrelink as well. And what are a lot of those people giving back to us?

well, this thread isnt about funding per se, its about religious schools that receive public funding being selective of who they let into their schools, based upon their "religosity".

defend that grumble

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Originally posted by Paulie BEat Blog, rather than cry poor mate, go out there work your bollocks off and send your kids to a private school!

fuck that. the only kids that need the best teaching are the stupid ones. my kids will be uber smart, so i dont need the private system

If a church runs a school to teach within thier doctrine, i think they have every right to choose who they let in.

They are providing a better education founded on thier church beliefs, and if they let in people who will not fit in with the school ethos, it would (and does) undermine that.

They should receive funding as every other private school does, every student in Aus should receive government funding.


Now, I doubt anyone would agree with me on these points, but thats as diplomatic as I can be...

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Originally posted by Dean Millson The school i went to was established in the 1960's so by your definition i guess i didn't That seems like an odd definition, but then again so is the stereotype

No, no, of course it's still private, I just meant that snobby attitude, and elitism, only seems to come from the older inner city schools, like Scotch, Xavier and Melbourne Grammar.

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Originally posted by gumble If a church runs a school to teach within thier doctrine, i think they have every right to choose who they let in.

rubbish. the state sets the curriculum. you cant have it both ways- you cant expect funding from the public and then deny the public the right to benefit from said funding.

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Originally posted by gumble They are providing a better education founded on thier church beliefs, and if they let in people who will not fit in with the school ethos, it would (and does) undermine that.

in all my years i am still to see evidence that they provide a better education. your example before of a greater tertiary retention could easily be related to a higher than average socio-economic lifestyle which historically trend towards higher education. in any case that is irrelevant.

Why does a school's apparent "ethos" mean two shits if they are funded by the public purse? again, you cant accept money and then do what you will with it. especially if you're saying "oh, you're just not catholic enough to go to this school" -how fucking christian

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They should receive funding as every other private school does, every student in Aus should receive government funding.

yes, just as every student should have the right (insofar as is possible) to attend any school that they desire

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Now, I doubt anyone would agree with me on these points, but thats as diplomatic as I can be...

damned straight

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Originally posted by Paulie BEat Blog, rather than cry poor mate, go out there work your bollocks off and send your kids to a private school!

Pffty, read the thread dude.

I went to a private school myself, and fully intend to send my kids to one too.

I don't think snobby attitude relies on where you went to school (though it can rub off), or how much money you have, it's simply how you were raised.

There are an equal amount of wankers, snobs, bogans and dickheads, whether you go to a public or private school.

p.s I don't think public school kids realise how much peer pressure there is at private schools, which is quite hard when you're an insecure teenager. If you aren't seen with a "cool" brand of clothes or the latest mobile you can easily become an outsider...not because you can't afford the same stuff as everyone else, but simply because you're different, just like if you got a stupid haircut etc...

indeed, how on earth is a prospective kindergarten student meant to display their level of religosity? why are we expecting children to be able to make such complicated choices? and since when did a religious ethos become more important than the academic benefits a particular school is meant to represent?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN indeed, how on earth is a prospective kindergarten student meant to display their level of religosity? why are we expecting children to be able to make such complicated choices? and since when did a religious ethos become more important than the academic benefits a particular school is meant to represent?

Often religion has more to do with values rather than belief, at least at the schools I have experienced.

I'm fiercely atheist, yet I admire the values that Christianity adheres to.

When you send your kid to a school with a particular religion, you're trying to imbue them with the values and morality taught by that religion.

Also, although religious ethos may not be important to you, nor me, it is VERY important to some people in the country. RE was compulsory in my final year of school; a one hour class three times a week if I remember correctly. A majority of it isn't about learning the bible etc, but learning about morality and general issues in life such as homosexuality, abortions and terminal illnesses; not that much to do with "God" really.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog A majority of it isn't about learning the bible etc, but learning about morality and general issues in life such as homosexuality, abortions and terminal illnesses; not that much to do with "God" really.

I've learnt about all those things and I've never been religious, and I attended public school all my life.

Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion. -- Gandhi

How bout all schools, private or public, focus on teaching life and not religion?

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK I've learnt about all those things and I've never been religious, and I attended public school all my life. Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion. -- Gandhi How bout all schools, private or public, focus on teaching life and not religion?

That was my point; that RE has basically nothing to do with religion, hence why private schools aren't all that different to public schools in regards to religion.

Comprende?

We had to go to compulsory mass usually about three times a year, for big occasions. I really dislike mass, but every once in a while it's good to have some quiet time to reflect on your own thoughts and to hear an old child molester spread his wisdom...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Also, although religious ethos may not be important to you, nor me, it is VERY important to some people in the country.

which is fine. well, not really but thats another argument but you cant exclude prospective pupils because they dont fit your particular bias very well.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN which is fine. well, not really but thats another argument but you cant exclude prospective pupils because they dont fit your particular bias very well.

Sorry, I kind of hijacked this thread with my original post, but, going back to your original point, I don't think this is unfair.

This is a crap analogy, but it's the best I can think of for now: the police don't take people over a certain weight, or universities won't take you unless you have achieved certain academic results, because you won't perform well otherwise.

Why shouldn't catholic schools exclude you if you can't fulfil the "spiritual requirements" (wank wank) that they want? They're trying to create a school of people with a common belief and common goal, just like a Jewish or Islamic school does, and having atheists or agnostics in their school won't help.

The funny thing is...how do you prove to the school that you're Catholic? Or any religion for that matter?

This really isnt a current issue, look at other religious private schools, there is no way i would be been allowed to study at a jewish school for example.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN indeed, how on earth is a prospective kindergarten student meant to display their level of religosity? why are we expecting children to be able to make such complicated choices? and since when did a religious ethos become more important than the academic benefits a particular school is meant to represent?

its up to the parents obviously. they have care of you until you turn 18, and you ultimately do what they want you to until then.

anyway, this is going to go round in circles with the debate, as it always has.

my bottom line: i went to a private school, loved it. i want my kids to have that same experience, so things should stay the same for private schools or even get better. also if this school limits or bans religions and races i dont like (pretty much all), well thats a plus. and public schools can pick up the rest.

lol.

the catholic church doesnt pay coporate taxes (or so some bum yelled out whilst i was livin toronto) :/ LOL

umm yer private skools - N

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Originally posted by Beat Blog This is a crap analogy, but it's the best I can think of for now: the police don't take people over a certain weight, or universities won't take you unless you have achieved certain academic results, because you won't perform well otherwise.

because these standards are based upon merit. Completely different. the analogy works well for private school scholarships, NOT religious persuasion.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Why shouldn't catholic schools exclude you if you can't fulfil the "spiritual requirements" (wank wank) that they want? They're trying to create a school of people with a common belief and common goal, just like a Jewish or Islamic school does, and having atheists or agnostics in their school won't help.

because they receive public funding. You cant take from the public purse and then discriminate against children based upon some arbitrary judgement about who is more catholic than the rest. if they want to have their super nutjob religious elite bullshit schools then they can fund them themselves. it isnt right for some fuckwit priest to dictate who is deserving and undeserving of my tax dollars.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because they receive public funding. You cant take from the public purse and then discriminate against children based upon some arbitrary judgement about who is more catholic than the rest. if they want to have their super nutjob religious elite bullshit schools then they can fund them themselves. it isnt right for some fuckwit priest to dictate who is deserving and undeserving of my tax dollars.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because they receive public funding. You cant take from the public purse and then discriminate against children based upon some arbitrary judgement about who is more catholic than the rest. if they want to have their super nutjob religious elite bullshit schools then they can fund them themselves. it isnt right for some fuckwit priest to dictate who is deserving and undeserving of my tax dollars.

Ok, awesome point, I totally didn't think about that!

go to a real school.
coburg high.

i wouldnt say catholic schools are private schools..

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Originally posted by stevo_0 i wouldnt say catholic schools are private schools..

yes they are

Any school thats not run by the government are private schools.

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