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I know what you're saying. I used to buy stuff on beatport thinking "this song is so kickass I'm never gonna get bored of it", and yet I find myself routinely deleting mp3s from my music folder because I just can't find anything to enjoy in them anymore. I think I must've spent at least a thousand bucks on music I ended up getting rid of after a year or two because I was extremely bored with it all. My biggest fear is that the music I'm enjoying today will suffer the same fate in a few years - or hopefully I've reached a peak in jadedness.

this is the problem with materialism. you get everything and you still get bored.
reminds me of that scene in Dawn of the dead when the few survivors barricade themselves in that huge abandoned shopping mall. In the beginning they are all happy and run around to take clothes, jewels, food etc. But all jewels looses its value if you don't have anyone to show them to. I guess it's almost the same with music somehow. It's cool in the beginning when you are totally new to it and you have a burning desire to find out more.
oh im tired. good night.

When buying music, you should really ask yourself: will I like this stuff in 5, 10 or 20 years. I'm doing it all the time. You'll spend less money and avoid some mistakes. It takes some training to recognize the stuff that will last a bit longer than this ultra-cool sounding and immediately rewarding tune that you'll be bored of in two weeks.
Try to not stick too much to trends, formulas. Explore all EDM styles. When you're bored with EDM listen to something else for a while and get back to it later.

It still very rewarding to find the true gems because they are hidden deep into a huge pile a crap. And it requires quite a bit of effort.

ive been listening to trance for almost 5 years now and i still enjoy it just as much now as i did then, its different then 5 years ago, but i still like it.

Another big part of this, I think, is that the more you know about what has already been done in your favorite genre(s), the more you tend to dismiss new stuff as "cliched" or just "uninteresting" if it reuses elements from older tracks. As your knowledge expands further, the realm of stuff that can be thrown in the "cliched" bin grows and grows. When you're really new to EDM, you have the sense of every song and synth sound being "new" and unlike anything you've heard before.

...even if the tracks in question are just using sounds and arrangements that have already been done to death.

And now that everybody has easy, cheap access to all sorts of genres, people can experience this sensation of "already heard this before" more and more often.

It's hard not to become jaded after you have been around for a while.

Like nefardec said, you can sometimes think "damn, if I was playing, I'd be so much better than this".

Then again, I saw Pappa play a few weeks ago and he blew my mind. Completely restored my faith in club nights and DJs!

Can someone give me a concise definition of "PLUR"? It's an acronym of some sort, right?

"PLUR" stands for:

Peace
Love
Unity
Respect

It was part of rave culture in the early '90s.

I think that Montana was using it in a more general sense to refer to people who are new to EDM and are kind of idealistic and naively enthusiastic about the music they've just discovered.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "PLUR" stands for: Peace Love Unity Respect It was part of rave culture in the early '90s.

Thanks, yeah, I got that impression.

No, I don�t think you can return to PLUR, not after you start realising:

a) how much drugs rule the club scene, rather than the music
b) how much shit music gets played as a result.

That said, if a new club night opens up, run by the right people, with good intentions, it can be pretty exciting for a few months!

i just try to think of it like debating religion these days.

i'm trying to spend less time whining and more time enjoying because i'd rather just do the later.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Thanks, yeah, I got that impression. No, I don�t think you can return to PLUR, not after you start realising: a) how much drugs rule the club scene, rather than the music

I don't think that the drugs and music are separated so easily. The drugs have been around since the beginning, used by both artists and listeners, and they'll probably always be around. I don't really have a problem with people using drugs if it enhances their experience of the music or party in some positive way.

I think that much more than drugs, the thing that tends to corrupt a scene the most is just money. The more money is involved, the more likely you are to have people hanging around who don't give a shit about anything other than money. Club owners, promoters, etc. out to get the act that will draw the biggest amount of cash: nothing more and nothing less. This is one reason I think that being entirely "club-centric" is a bad thing for EDM, unless you have some really unusual club owners who actually care about something more than how much they can earn with cover charges and alcohol sales.

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When buying music, you should really ask yourself: will I like this stuff in 5, 10 or 20 years.

I think like that for the most part, but when you DJ you also have to ask yourself 'will this make people take their clothes off this weekend?'

Sure, take a hit of some really nice weed, then listen to random tracks in your music collection.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think that the drugs and music are separated so easily. The drugs have been around since the beginning, used by both artists and listeners, and they'll probably always be around. I don't really have a problem with people using drugs if it enhances their experience of the music or party in some positive way.

I don't have a problem with drugs enhancing music either, however a lot of the clubs here are full of people who listen to rock and pop music during the day because they hate dance music, then pop a few pills and go to a club all night anyway.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I don't have a problem with drugs enhancing music either, however a lot of the clubs here are full of people who listen to rock and pop music during the day because they hate dance music, then pop a few pills and go to a club all night anyway.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Another thing about clubs is that so many people seem to be concentrated on either "looking cool" or basking in the aura of the DJ rather than enjoying the music.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles This is one reason I think that being entirely "club-centric" is a bad thing for EDM

As opposed to what?

Actually, being centered around clubs isn't a bad thing in itself. The character of the clubs and clubgoers is what matters.

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Originally posted by bubbleguuum When buying music, you should really ask yourself: will I like this stuff in 5, 10 or 20 years. I'm doing it all the time. You'll spend less money and avoid some mistakes. It takes some training to recognize the stuff that will last a bit longer than this ultra-cool sounding and immediately rewarding tune that you'll be bored of in two weeks.

I can surely agree to this. I've just gotten rid of more than half of my vinyl collection just because my tastes have changed. All that's left is the stuff I started out with, the more recent records have all been sold. Quite typical that the first records I bought are the exact ones I still listen to.

It's all about developing your own style, not just trying to be upfront just for the sake of being that.

More on-topic, I went through this 'jaded' phase a year or two ago, where everything that didn't exactly fit my style just got labeled as being shit. I've grown out of that as well, liking far more music than I did a few years ago, almost up to the same level as when I started listening to EDM (which wasn't all that segregated back then, but still). And I like it that way. The only really important thing for me now is whether a track is good, not its genre.

this forum has a habit of making me feel jaded towards some aspects of edm that i would just pass by and not notice in the real world. I think it will be easier to regain the plur mentality by keeping away from the internet forums for a while. there is a lot of disgruntledness here and i suppose its cos its nice to moan about stuff to other people who are feeling like having a rant.

great topic

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Originally posted by richg101 this forum has a habit of making me feel jaded towards some aspects of edm that i would just pass by and not notice in the real world. I think it will be easier to regain the plur mentality by keeping away from the internet forums for a while. there is a lot of disgruntledness here and i suppose its cos its nice to moan about stuff to other people who are feeling like having a rant.

I suggest growing a back bone and not being easily influenced by other people's opinions

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Originally posted by basd I suggest growing a back bone and not being easily influenced by other people's opinions * insert random crappy 'Internet, serious business' image *

it is natural to take on board others' opinions you bell.

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Originally posted by richg101 it is natural to take on board others' opinions you bell.

If you want to let other people's opinions (negatively) influence your attitude towards certain types of music, sure, go ahead. To me it just doesn't work that way.

Also, calling names makes you cool

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Originally posted by distant As opposed to what?

the scene wasnt always in the club. as far as I'm concerned though, i think the fact that most of our scene resides in clubs is an indication of the level of commercialism. so the idea of drugs and "club music" and pompous club-culture being linked is a product rather than a means.

we can sit at our consoles here and discuss it all day but in the long run when you go to a good party is when that feeling returns. i'm not talking about some shite rock concert by pvd or tiesto or oakenfold but rather a group of 40-50 kids (loaded or not) dancing all night in a comfortable place focused only on the music.

i think the feeling is more important than the idealism because like the state of edm, plur is a product rather than a means.

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster the scene wasnt always in the club.

Of course it was. Hell, the warehouse raves and clubs are the very places where the entire "scene" (sic) was born.

Siding with Mr. Mistoffelees on this one.

Indeed - but the key difference is that it's not the only place to get involved in the "scene" now.

And I'm with Jason on this entire issue. His post was maybe the best in the thread, and one that I think a majority of individuals in this thread (myself included) could do well to be more mindful of.

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