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We used to have people play from the COR all the time. Of course I was the champion.

I think I still have a screenshot of Phil Ivey giving me a shoutout, lol.

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Originally posted by VAR 67% live skill, 33% luck of the draw, in my opinion.

Only if you play it that way. There's a million different ways to play the game, some involving alot of luck, some involving none. Personally, the way I play involves very little probability. I'm always in control of what happends, and when I lose money I only have myself to blame. That's a strategy you can't use on the internet. In online poker, there's only the odds and nothing else. Hence why it isn't real poker - it's just lottery with cards.

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Originally posted by Project-K Only if you play it that way. There's a million different ways to play the game, some involving alot of luck, some involving none. Personally, the way I play involves very little probability. I'm always in control of what happends, and when I lose money I only have myself to blame. That's a strategy you can't use on the internet. In online poker, there's only the odds and nothing else. Hence why it isn't real poker - it's just lottery with cards.

probablity is a big factor in poker whether it's live on online

people who make a living playing poker online or live don't care to win every single hand

they just care that they are making at least one big bet an hour and 'earning' an hourly wage

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Originally posted by Project-K In online poker, there's only the odds and nothing else. Hence why it isn't real poker - it's just lottery with cards.

except where you have poker where you can chat with your opponents. You can mess with their heads there.

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Originally posted by Project-K Only if you play it that way. There's a million different ways to play the game, some involving alot of luck, some involving none. Personally, the way I play involves very little probability. I'm always in control of what happends, and when I lose money I only have myself to blame. That's a strategy you can't use on the internet. In online poker, there's only the odds and nothing else. Hence why it isn't real poker - it's just lottery with cards.

You can make the correct call, ie dominate your opponent's hand or you opponent needs and runner runner for the win and have the odds to win, but you can still lose. That's probability right there.

Sure, you can be the best player and can outplay anyone on the table, but if the cards don't hit for you, then you're screwed.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie except where you have poker where you can chat with your opponents. You can mess with their heads there.

My experience is that people rarely chat on tables about their hands. And it's just not the same as table chat at a live game.

Ill mess with it online, but I wont play for cash there. Ill play for cash in person. Online is nice to just see hands but especially without money involved people will make stupid calls and chase a hand that should have been mucked only to suck out on the last card.

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Originally posted by L.E.N. Ill mess with it online, but I wont play for cash there. Ill play for cash in person. Online is nice to just see hands but especially without money involved people will make stupid calls and chase a hand that should have been mucked only to suck out on the last card.

You just need to find the right tables. Like high buy in play money tables on Pokerstars for example.

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Originally posted by EvilTree You just need to find the right tables. Like high buy in play money tables on Pokerstars for example.

I like having the extra element of being able to read the persons actions. Im not a pro by any means but when I do play for cash I do pretty well. I have a friend that moved out to vegas and thats all he does for cash and is doing pretty well. When we get a good table going its usually him and I at the end. I can get him once in a while but he runs the odds fast in his head. Im still learning that and most of the people I play with dont play often so they lose their shirts on lame calls. I dont mind though because Im usually winning the cash. I dont think Im ready to sit at a table a Commerce Casino though. I need to see more amature hands before I belly up to a table with a possible whale.

yea, me and my friends get together usually once a month to play, never really tried the online stuff tho, cuz i always thought that most of them required you to play only with real money and not just for fun.

Anybody have good suggestions, for free online poker sites?

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Originally posted by jfk-pilot yea, me and my friends get together usually once a month to play, never really tried the online stuff tho, cuz i always thought that most of them required you to play only with real money and not just for fun. Anybody have good suggestions, for free online poker sites?

Full tilt poker isnt too bad.

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Originally posted by L.E.N. Full tilt poker isnt too bad.

cool i will check it out.

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Originally posted by EvilTree You can make the correct call, ie dominate your opponent's hand or you opponent needs and runner runner for the win and have the odds to win, but you can still lose. That's probability right there. Sure, you can be the best player and can outplay anyone on the table, but if the cards don't hit for you, then you're screwed.

The question is, are you playing cards or are you playing poker? You don't need cards to play the latter.

It's always funny when some noobs show up in the league and they think they're bigshots because they've been playing online for five years and won all sorts of tournaments, then they play their first real game and get robbed blind because they only understand one dimention of it.

You can find me playing lower limits on Pokerstars alot of the time during the week (inbetween my work hours), been trying to resuscitate a small bankroll playing cash games that I pretty much lost on tilt two weeks ago lol.

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Originally posted by Project-K The question is, are you playing cards or are you playing poker? You don't need cards to play the latter.

You can only bluff so much

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Originally posted by EvilTree You can only bluff so much

Indeed, but there's alot more to it than bluffing. One time I sat at a table full of new or mediocre players who thought they were great. Often these kinds of players think they can read you like a book (but can't), and you can use that to your advantage. So I bluffed a bunch of hands and always showed my cards at the end. That got them to call me much more often because no one took it seriousely anymore when I bet. Then I switched to a more conservative kind of play, folded anything that wasn't figures. Eventually I hit two top pairs on a flop and made a fortune off it because everybody was calling me with weaker hands. That one big pot made up for all those tiny pots I'd been losing for hours trying to bluff them all the time. There was a small degree of chance involved in there, but mostly it was just a matter of giving everyone the wrong impression and then waiting for a hand to hit.

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