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Originally posted by Jeff Button While we're on the topic of driving - how about they start handing out tickets to the fucktards who are doing a buck-five in the passing lanes who refuse to move due to their strange obsession with driving in the left lane!? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - STAY OUT OF THIS LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING FUCK! It is idiots like this who force some drivers (like myself) to unnecessarily change lanes (sometimes weaving) to get by.

oh, btw, check this guys



http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps...ty.asp?state=ON

lol, this is turning into another one of those "OMG DON'T DO DRUGS EVAAAR (except I've done drugs and still do them on occasion), AND PEOPLE WHO DO DRUGS ARE FUCKTARDS (except me cause I'm responsible)" threads that TOTA is infamous for. Every morning I FOLLOW traffic on the 401 going ~140km/h, so let's all please stop preaching on the merits of following the speed limit. I know you all break it.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button While we're on the topic of driving - how about they start handing out tickets to the fucktards who are doing a buck-five in the passing lanes who refuse to move due to their strange obsession with driving in the left lane!? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - STAY OUT OF THIS LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING FUCK! It is idiots like this who force some drivers (like myself) to unnecessarily change lanes (sometimes weaving) to get by.

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Ontario Highway Traffic Act: 132. (1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 132 (1). Exception (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a road service vehicle as defined in Part X. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 132 (2).

It's easier to win a conviction with a radar/laser readout of your speed. A subjective charge like this is a defence counsel's wet dream.

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Ontario Highway Traffic Act: Racing on highway 172. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or on a bet or wager. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 172 (1). Penalty (2) Every person who contravenes this section is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $200 and not more than $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both, and in addition his or her licence may be suspended for a period of not more than two years. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 172 (2). Note: On a day to be named by proclamation of the Lieutenant Governor, section 172 is repealed by the Statutes of Ontario, 2007, chapter 13, section 21 and the following substituted: Racing, stunts, etc., prohibited 172. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or contest, while performing a stunt or on a bet or wager. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Offence (2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $2,000 and not more than $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both, and in addition his or her driver�s licence may be suspended, (a) on a first conviction under this section, for not more than two years; or (b) on a subsequent conviction under this section, for not more than 10 years. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Determining subsequent conviction (3) In determining whether a conviction is a subsequent conviction for the purposes of subsection (2), the only question to be considered is the sequence of convictions and no consideration shall be given to the sequence of commission of offences or whether any offence occurred before or after any conviction. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. 10-year limitation (4) A conviction that is more than 10 years after the previous conviction is deemed to be a first conviction for the purpose of subsection (2). 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Police to require surrender of licence, detention of vehicle (5) Where a police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person is driving, or has driven, a motor vehicle on a highway in contravention of subsection (1), the officer shall, (a) request that the person surrender his or her driver�s licence; and (b) detain the motor vehicle that was being driven by the person until it is impounded under clause (7) (b). 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Administrative seven-day licence suspension (6) Upon a request being made under clause (5) (a), the person to whom the request is made shall forthwith surrender his or her driver�s licence to the police officer and, whether or not the person is unable or fails to surrender the licence to the police officer, his or her driver�s licence is suspended for a period of seven days from the time the request is made. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Administrative seven-day vehicle impoundment (7) Upon a motor vehicle being detained under clause (5) (b), the motor vehicle shall, at the cost of and risk to its owner, (a) be removed to an impound facility as directed by a police officer; and (b) be impounded for seven days from the time it was detained under clause (5) (b). 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Release of vehicle (8) Subject to subsection (15), the motor vehicle shall be released to its owner from the impound facility upon the expiry of the period of impoundment. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Early release of vehicle (9) Despite the detention or impoundment of a motor vehicle under this section, a police officer may release the motor vehicle to its owner before it is impounded under subsection (7) or, subject to subsection (15), may direct the operator of the impound facility where the motor vehicle is impounded to release the motor vehicle to its owner before the expiry of the seven days if the officer is satisfied that the motor vehicle was stolen at the time that it was driven on a highway in contravention of subsection (1). 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Duty of officer re licence suspension (10) Every officer who asks for the surrender of a person�s driver�s licence under this section shall keep a record of the licence received with the name and address of the person and the date and time of the suspension and shall, as soon as practicable after receiving the licence, provide the person with a notice of suspension showing the time from which the suspension takes effect and the period of time for which the licence is suspended. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Duty of officer re impoundment (11) Every officer who detains a motor vehicle under this section shall prepare a notice identifying the motor vehicle that is to be impounded under subsection (7), the name and address of the driver and the date and time of the impoundment and shall, as soon as practicable after the impoundment of the motor vehicle, provide the driver with a copy of the notice showing the time from which the impoundment takes effect, the period of time for which the motor vehicle is impounded and the place where the vehicle may be recovered. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Same (12) A police officer shall provide a copy of the notice prepared under subsection (11) to the owner of the motor vehicle by delivering it personally or by mail to the address of the owner shown on the permit for the motor vehicle or to the latest address for the owner appearing on the records of the Ministry. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. No appeal or hearing (13) There is no appeal from, or right to be heard before, a vehicle detention, driver�s licence suspension or vehicle impoundment under subsection (5), (6) or (7), but this subsection does not affect the taking of any proceeding in court. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Lien for storage costs (14) The costs incurred by the person who operates the impound facility where a motor vehicle is impounded under this section are a lien on the motor vehicle that may be enforced under the Repair and Storage Liens Act. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Costs to be paid before release of vehicle (15) The person who operates the impound facility where a motor vehicle is impounded under subsection (7) is not required to release the motor vehicle until the removal and impound costs for the vehicle have been paid. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Owner may recover losses from driver (16) The owner of a motor vehicle that is impounded under this section may bring an action against the driver of the motor vehicle at the time the vehicle was detained under clause (5) (b) to recover any costs or other losses incurred by the owner in connection with the impoundment. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Offence (17) Every person who obstructs or interferes with a police officer in the performance of his or her duties under this section is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $200 and not more than $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Intent of suspension and impoundment (18) The suspension of a driver�s licence and the impoundment of a motor vehicle under this section are intended to promote compliance with this Act and to thereby safeguard the public and do not constitute an alternative to any proceeding or penalty arising from the same circumstances or around the same time. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Forms (19) The Minister may require that forms approved by the Minister be used for any purpose of this section. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Regulations (20) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations, (a) requiring police officers to keep records with respect to licence suspensions and vehicle impoundments under this section for a specified period of time and to report specified information with respect to licence suspensions and vehicle impoundments to the Registrar and governing such records and reports; (b) exempting any class of persons or class or type of vehicles from any provision or requirement of this section or of any regulation made under this section, prescribing conditions for any such exemptions and prescribing different requirements for different classes of persons or different classes or types of vehicles; (c) defining the terms �race�, �contest� and �stunt� for the purposes of this section. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. Definition (21) In this section, �driver�s licence� includes a driver�s licence issued by another jurisdiction. 2007, c. 13, s. 21. See: 2007, c. 13, ss. 21, 49 (2).

The key language here is "No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or contest, while performing a stunt or on a bet or wager".

I would argue that driving 50km/h over the limit counts as a stunt.

You can see the full HTA here.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur lol, this is turning into another one of those "OMG DON'T DO DRUGS EVAAAR (except I've done drugs and still do them on occasion), AND PEOPLE WHO DO DRUGS ARE FUCKTARDS (except me cause I'm responsible)" threads that TOTA is infamous for.

No, I was drawing a comparison to illustrate that if you're going to break the law, you should understand the concequences and having your vehicle impounded is part of that.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Disagree. 50 over is really not that much - if you were racing, you'd be over far more than that. In July, I got busted doing 130 in an 80. It was through Algonquin Park, on Saturday morning (so there was no one else on the road). I know when I drive recklessly, and that wasn't it. 100 over the limit sounds more accurate to nab street racers, not just speeders.

+1

I think its really stupid what the government is trying to do to curb street racing. Rather then threatening to crush peoples cars, why dont then prosecute each case on its own due to the different circumstances that surround them. For example, someone that is caught doing 90 in a 40 zone during school hours should get a heavier penalty then someone who got caught doing 150 on the 401 at 3am with no cars around.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Who said anything about crushing? The cars are confisctaed for one week(if you read my post...or the article)...I think one week to cool off is perfectly reasonable.

...or read the HTA section quoted above.

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Originally posted by Sasha it also depends HOW u drive. i meant.. doing 150 on a highway, staying in one lane when there is not many cars around, especially at night... i mean, Come on! there is a difference between RACING or just DRIVING fast but carefuly! if they worry about our safety on the road they should ban certain races and genders from driving! sorry, but an Asian chick doing 40 in a 60 zone can cause more problems than most of the people who go 160 on a highway

this is absolutely true but doesnt absolve reckless speeding.

I have almost gotten into accidents because of slow drivers. I was going 110 once and almost rear ended an asian dude going about 70 on the 401 who decided to change lanes without signalling.

No offence to asians, but it seems the asian speed limit is always 20-30 km/h less than the posted limit.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button While we're on the topic of driving - how about they start handing out tickets to the fucktards who are doing a buck-five in the passing lanes who refuse to move due to their strange obsession with driving in the left lane!? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - STAY OUT OF THIS LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING FUCK! It is idiots like this who force some drivers (like myself) to unnecessarily change lanes (sometimes weaving) to get by.

Agreed

they should just raise the highway speed limit to 130 but keep all the others the same

clearly most cars on the road today can safely handle 130

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Originally posted by Engine9 they should just raise the highway speed limit to 130 but keep all the others the same clearly most cars on the road today can safely handle 130

Ontario 400 series highways used to be 120km/h, which was reduce in the 70's (I think) for reasons related to pollution. Now that cars run much cleaner, on cleaner unleaded fuel and with the shift towards bio/hydrogen/hybrid fuel systems and increased safety equipment and design available to the automotive sector, the time is nigh to
re-instate the 120km/h limit.

Or, just mandate setting the governor on all new cars at 120km/h instead of 170/190/210...etc.

Oh right...we make too much money on speeding tickets to do that.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Ontario 400 series highways used to be 120km/h, which was reduce in the 70's (I think) for reasons related to pollution. Now that cars run much cleaner, on cleaner unleaded fuel and with the shift towards bio/hydrogen/hybrid fuel systems and increased safety equipment and design available to the automotive sector, the time is nigh to re-instate the 120km/h limit. Or, just mandate setting the governor on all new cars at 120km/h instead of 170/190/210...etc. Oh right...we make too much money on speeding tickets to do that.

Won't anyone think of the children??

I'll put my points in bullets so its easier to read.

-license to drive is being given out too easily.
-speeding is only dangerous when the driver is not in control.
-there are too many cars in general that are dangerous just by being on the road. IE: shocks are blown, exhausts are hanging, duct tape holding a door on, bumpers smashed and look like they are going to fall.
speeding is not what kills. its reckless driving and people who are not in control of their car.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS I'm sure if it was your family or friends who were killed by some douchebag you would feel very differently. 40 may not sound like a lot, but they are completely senseless and completely avoidalbe.

One of my family members was indeed killed by a street racer about five years go. Shit happens, life goes on. This is not a big enough issue to be spending so much time on it imo.

As said before, if they really want to prevent the problem of street racing, they need to open a drag strip near the GTA core. Give people a safe environment to enjoy an unsafe activity, and it will cut down on the number of innocent people hurt.

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Originally posted by Orko One of my family members was indeed killed by a street racer about five years go. Shit happens, life goes on. This is not a big enough issue to be spending so much time on it imo.

I'm sorry to hear that.

That being said, I'm suprised and, frankly, disappointed by your position.

Nip racing in the bud, so to speak.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 No offence to asians, but it seems the asian speed limit is always 20-30 km/h less than the posted limit.

negative, this was me driving down to toronto on sunday morning.. was on a time constraint driving from london to toronto. But I was responsible about it. Only hitting that speed when the left lane was clear and little chance of sudden lane changes from the other lanes.


To add to this thread, I believe that street racing should be punished severely. As stated earlier, racing on suburban/city streets should be penalized more so than on the highway. I also agree with raising the speed limit on the highway. There was a study made a few years ago showing that if the speed limit was raised 20 km/h, it would actually reduce the number of collisions because those who have a need for speed will stick to the fast lane and those who are uncomfortable travelling that fast will have their own lanes.

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Originally posted by jchung52 negative, this was me driving down to toronto on sunday morning.. was on a time constraint driving from london to toronto. But I was responsible about it. Only hitting that speed when the left lane was clear and little chance of sudden lane changes from the other lanes. To add to this thread, I believe that street racing should be punished severely. As stated earlier, racing on suburban/city streets should be penalized more so than on the highway. I also agree with raising the speed limit on the highway. There was a study made a few years ago showing that if the speed limit was raised 20 km/h, it would actually reduce the number of collisions because those who have a need for speed will stick to the fast lane and those who are uncomfortable travelling that fast will have their own lanes.

taking a picture of your dash while doing 160 is pretty fuckin retarded if you ask me.

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Originally posted by jchung52 negative, this was me driving down to toronto on sunday morning.. was on a time constraint driving from london to toronto. But I was responsible about it. Only hitting that speed when the left lane was clear and little chance of sudden lane changes from the other lanes. To add to this thread, I believe that street racing should be punished severely. As stated earlier, racing on suburban/city streets should be penalized more so than on the highway. I also agree with raising the speed limit on the highway. There was a study made a few years ago showing that if the speed limit was raised 20 km/h, it would actually reduce the number of collisions because those who have a need for speed will stick to the fast lane and those who are uncomfortable travelling that fast will have their own lanes.

fixed.

lol you win

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Originally posted by djbruuen taking a picture of your dash while doing 160 is pretty fuckin retarded if you ask me.

160 isnt fast enough so you cant take a quick pic

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Originally posted by King Luis speeding is not what kills. its reckless driving and people who are not in control of their car.

SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH THAT, speeding when no one is around you for at least 500 m and your ride is in good shape, than you kinda speed at your own risk (i.e if one the front tires pops at 140 you're fucked pretty good if not dead)

I live right by a elementary school and I see a lot of idiots doing 50-60 over.... everybody who does that should be lined to a wall and shot:

if it's safe to step on it on the highway and the weather permits, why not? I mean...the 400 series, people do 120 in the first lane, hence you gotta go with the flow...

but people who nearly shave rear bumpers when they change lanes and weave all over the road like they think they're nascar drivers, yes, those should not drive...

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Originally posted by djbruuen taking a picture of your dash while doing 160 is pretty fuckin retarded if you ask me.

and if i told you i didnt take the pic?

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Originally posted by jeeper_095 people who nearly shave rear bumpers when they change lanes and weave all over the road like they think they're nascar drivers, yes, those should not drive...

nascar drivers dont weave, they just drive around a circle for 500laps like the cars from those slot car racing toys

"Videotaping our crime spree was the best idea ever!"

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Originally posted by legendary_waz nascar drivers dont weave, they just drive around a circle for 500laps like the cars from those slot car racing toys

i think the quickest way to fight global warming is stop nascar

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