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Originally posted by RJT Truth be told, I think his punishment should be that four of the craziest, muscle-bound, PCP & steroid addicted former professional wrestlers and XFL players the court can find get to keep him in a kennel for a year, only taking him out to do whatever kind of fucked up shit huge guys high on PCP and steroids do to other people and animals. Now that would be justice.

ah yes, the roids rage. seemings like a good punishment. i wonder if any of the guys in prison want to fuck him, so they can be like "yea i handled mike vick while he was in the joint".

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Originally posted by RJT only taking him out to do whatever kind of fucked up shit huge guys high on PCP and steroids do to other people and animals. [/IMG]

Play catch



No but seriously it's just funny how people don't realize that horrible things are done to animals in other countries and it's considered cultural. In spain its fine to slaughter a bull in a painful and time consuming way, and it's entertainment.Here it's fine to keep chickens cooped up and pumped with steroids for our consumption. Where do we draw the line?

Yeah but they eat the bull afterwards.

Anyway, there's a big difference between what Vick did and traditional bullfighting.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Yeah but they eat the bull afterwards. Anyway, there's a big difference between what Vick did and traditional bullfighting.

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So if they would've eaten the dogs afterwards it would have made it fine?

moving away from the dog argument a bit, a good argument was brought up on Sunday during "Sports Reporters" (oh btw, i want to add Mike Lupica as one of those annoying reporters to the list). one of the panelists (i forgot who it was) stated that when vick's friends bailed out on him a couple of weeks ago, they basically broke the friend honor code. the friend honor code is you never rat out/snitch on your friend no matter what the consequences are. there is a loop hole out of that rule, and it is the friend is an as*hole, then it's all right to snitch. so either vick's friends are pussies for ratting him out or michael vick was an as*hole to his friends. i think the latter.

and btw, RJT, i did hear about the drowning and hanging the dogs, but i didn't know if it was proven yet. the last i heard about that allegation was that it was supposed he did those actions.

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Originally posted by chach Play catch No but seriously it's just funny how people don't realize that horrible things are done to animals in other countries and it's considered cultural. In spain its fine to slaughter a bull in a painful and time consuming way, and it's entertainment.Here it's fine to keep chickens cooped up and pumped with steroids for our consumption. Where do we draw the line?

I know where I draw the line, and believe I've documented it many, many times on here.

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Originally posted by RJT He also killed several of them by such means as hanging and drowning. Michael Vick is without doubt one of the biggest gimps to have ever graced this planet - the only individuals still more sad than he are those who are still self-described "Michael Vick Supporters." Who in fucks name condones this kind of activity, I mean really?

(Disclaimer: Vick is getting what he deserved for running this dogfighting ring. I also think dogfighting is bad and inhumane.)

Biggest gimps to have ever graced this planet? No. Every person who has committed murder is much worse of a person than Vick.

Only reason why many people are horrified over these charges and is because we treat dogs as humans. Had Vick been convicted of running a cock fighting ring, believe me, he wouldn't have been really vilified.

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Originally posted by verndogs (Disclaimer: Vick is getting what he deserved for running this dogfighting ring. I also think dogfighting is bad and inhumane.) Biggest gimps to have ever graced this planet? No. Every person who has committed murder is much worse of a person than Vick. Only reason why many people are horrified over these charges and is because we treat dogs as humans. Had Vick been convicted of running a cock fighting ring, believe me, he wouldn't have been really vilified.

+1

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Originally posted by verndogs (Disclaimer: Vick is getting what he deserved for running this dogfighting ring. I also think dogfighting is bad and inhumane.) Biggest gimps to have ever graced this planet? No. Every person who has committed murder is much worse of a person than Vick. Only reason why many people are horrified over these charges and is because we treat dogs as humans. Had Vick been convicted of running a cock fighting ring, believe me, he wouldn't have been really vilified.

I actually disagree with that bit profoundly. In fact, I think plenty of murderers are doing their job by thinning out the herd.

And I'd have been as horrified no matter what, animal abuse fucks me right off (environmental ethics specialization and all ).

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Originally posted by RJT I actually disagree with that bit profoundly. In fact, I think plenty of murderers are doing their job by thinning out the herd.

So Vick is worse of a person than Hitler?

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Originally posted by RJT In fact, I think plenty of murderers are doing their job by thinning out the herd.

WOW

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Originally posted by verndogs So Vick is worse of a person than Hitler?

How in the world could you possibly infer that from my post?

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Originally posted by RJT How in the world could you possibly infer that from my post?

Circular reasoning, duh!

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Originally posted by RJT How in the world could you possibly infer that from my post?

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Originally posted by RJT In fact, I think plenty of murderers are doing their job by thinning out the herd.

just posing that question for you to defend that statement.

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Originally posted by verndogs just posing that question for you to defend that statement.

Where in there do I say "Hitler was a better person than Michael Vick"?



Edit: In order for me to defend a statement, you need to legitimately attack it.

As such, I have nothing to defend.

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Originally posted by RJT Where in there do I say "Hitler was a better person than Michael Vick"? Edit: In order for me to defend a statement, you need to legitimately attack it. As such, I have nothing to defend.

let me rephrase my question:

please elaborate on this statement:

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Originally posted by RJT In fact, I think plenty of murderers are doing their job by thinning out the herd.

sorry, multitasking at the moment

First of all, please tell me you're specific definition of murder? Is it any killing that's against the law? Is it violent killing? And please don't link me to a dictionary.com entry and say "This is what Murder is," if that were the case not only would we not require our multi-trillion dollar justice system, but Law & Order wouldn't be entertaining either.

Beyond that I could take any number of approaches towards defending the assertion that the death of humans is oftentimes less tragic (or more beneficial) than the death of an animal who can't defend itself. Utilitarian approach? Simple, humans cause exponentially more suffering than companion animals, so if it's humans versus animals, humans go. Tough luck.

The point isn't to develop some highly specific and ridiculous ethical system in which animals are somehow always more valuable than humans, but that at the end of the day you'll find loads of people who'll tell you there are too many of us, but very few who will tell you there are simply too many dogs running around (in a global sense) and that getting rid of them would benefit us all greatly.

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Originally posted by RJT First of all, please tell me you're specific definition of murder? Is it any killing that's against the law? Is it violent killing? And please don't link me to a dictionary.com entry and say "This is what Murder is," if that were the case not only would we not require our multi-trillion dollar justice system, but Law & Order wouldn't be entertaining either.

my definition of murder is the premeditated killing of a human being by another human being against his/her will.

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Originally posted by RJT Beyond that I could take any number of approaches towards defending the assertion that the death of humans is oftentimes less tragic (or more beneficial) than the death of an animal who can't defend itself. Utilitarian approach? Simple, humans cause exponentially more suffering than companion animals, so if it's humans versus animals, humans go. Tough luck. The point isn't to develop some highly specific and ridiculous ethical system in which animals are somehow always more valuable than humans, but that at the end of the day you'll find loads of people who'll tell you there are too many of us, but very few who will tell you there are simply too many dogs running around (in a global sense) and that getting rid of them would benefit us all greatly.

That goes beyond the scope of my argument. I'm specifically focusing on murder. I will say that if it comes down between the humans v. animals. The animals go simply because human life is worth much, much more than the animals. I'll leave it at that.

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Originally posted by verndogs my definition of murder is the premeditated killing of a human being by another human being against his/her will. That goes beyond the scope of my argument. I'm specifically focusing on murder. I will say that if it comes down between the humans v. animals. The animals go simply because human life is worth much, much more than the animals. I'll leave it at that.

Well, I'll just say that not everyone believes what you do, and so it's fine if that's what you believe, but it's hardly universal.

michael vick is michael vick. who cares.

Linsday Lohan > Justice System Protecting Celebrities > Michael Vick.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit michael vick is michael vick. who cares. Linsday Lohan > Justice System Protecting Celebrities > Michael Vick.

Well, this is officially the best post in the thread.

i say he is in jail for 2 weeks

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Originally posted by verndogs I will say that if it comes down between the humans v. animals. The animals go simply because human life is worth much, much more than the animals.

Is that a fact?

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Originally posted by RJT Well, I'll just say that not everyone believes what you do, and so it's fine if that's what you believe, but it's hardly universal.

we both can agree that this thread so go back to making fun of Michael Vick's steep fall from grace

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Is that a fact?

yes.

murder is a term reserved for humans only. There's no debate to be had there. The term was devised to describe the exact act vern already mentioned. does that mean that it's fine to go around hanging dogs? not by any stretch of the imagination. however, murder is worse than killing animals, regardless of how friendly or domesticated & loved the animals might be. I'd even put rape above killing animals on the morally reprehensible list.

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