This is for all you "Truther" idiots.

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Posted by Q5echo on Aug-23-2007 00:36:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I don't know man, you tell me. You're the one who has it splattered all over his face and mouth.

really? is that what you see all the time, cum splattered man mouth? intresting.

did you get along with your Dad when you were growing up?

Posted by shaolin_Z on Aug-23-2007 00:39:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
really? is that what you see all the time, cum splattered man mouth? intresting.

did you get along with your Dad when you were growing up?

So is Bush your dominatrix daddy now?

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-23-2007 00:55:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
So is Bush your dominatrix daddy now?

i don't know, man. how would that make you feel?

Posted by shaolin_Z on Aug-23-2007 00:57:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
i don't know, man. how would that make you feel?

Like Dick Cheney.

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 01:22:

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Originally posted by Lilith
Because it's far more entertaining and imaginative to blame someone else for life's woes instead of just dealing with the horrible reality that life is just an endless stream of work, bills, wars, debt, taxes, pain and hardship in various amounts most of the time.
It'd be nice just to blame someone else.
But it's usually just that simple, my highly educated self and countless re-runs of Scooby Doo during my childhood that the only real source of mysteries, monsters, aliens is actually crooked real estate developers.

...wait, aww crap.

Not to say that you're one because I obviously don't know you well enough to say one way or the other, but there are a lot of overeducated idiots in this world who know a whole lot only about very little. As ironic as it might sound, many of them are called "professionals."

Life is just an endless stream of the aforesaid obligatory discomforts simply because the status quo which states that is left unchallenged because our complacency and collective apathy keeps it that way. Nothing is ever going to change if nobody is willing or ready to fight to change it.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 01:24:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
Not to say that you're one because I obviously don't know you well enough to say one way or the other, but there are a lot of overeducated idiots in this world who know a whole lot only about very little. As ironic as it might sound, many of them are called "professionals."

Life is just an endless stream of the aforesaid obligatory discomforts simply because the status quo which states that is left unchallenged because our complacency and collective apathy keeps it that way. Nothing is ever going to change if nobody is willing or ready to fight to change it.

agreed 100%

but why you place your faith in non-experts with nothing but youtube and 911.org's at their fingertips is beyond me.

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 01:33:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
agreed 100%

but why you place your faith in non-experts with nothing but youtube and 911.org's at their fingertips is beyond me.

But that's a false assumption on your part.

I've always done my own due diligence so I don't place any faith in anyone except for myself

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 01:41:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
But that's a false assumption on your part.

I've always done my own due diligence so I don't place any faith in anyone except for myself

that's all well and good too, but you're not a civil engineer, so at some level you need to rely on the findings of other people. and in this you seem to have an irrational bias towards those who do not have the qualifications or expertise to be making such analyses.

using your own "common sense" is an easy trap to fall into. there are plenty of things that defy common sense that are still fact.

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 01:55:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
that's all well and good too, but you're not a civil engineer, so at some level you need to rely on the findings of other people. and in this you seem to have an irrational bias towards those who do not have the qualifications or expertise to be making such analyses.

using your own "common sense" is an easy trap to fall into. there are plenty of things that defy common sense that are still fact.

lol

I don't need an engineering degree to see that the events of 9/11 had been pre-planned by rogue elements within my own government, that the official story is riddled with so many omissions, distortions and holes so big that you can see daylight shining through them, that there were many other intelligence experts and agencies who warned about the impending attack who were shut up or given gag orders, etc.

In reality, this whole thing has very little to do with the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, any alleged preplanted explosives or even the very laws of physics which my government (through it's cover-up report) claims were violated that day.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 02:04:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
I don't need an engineering degree to see that the events of 9/11 had been pre-planned by rogue elements within my own government, that the official story is riddled with so many omissions, distortions and holes so big that you can see daylight shining through them, that there were many other intelligence experts and agencies who warned about the impending attack who were shut up or given gag orders, etc.

and yet, that "riddled story" hasn't been replaced by you (or others) into anything that resembles a coherent analysis. the so-called "holes" (most of which that ive seen arent holes at all) do not equate with conspiracy unless you can show me that they do.

after all these years, ive only ever seen "omg government conspiracy!", yet have been unable to locate a single thesis that joins all the dots the CTs have drawn. not one. mostly because when you try and piece the nonsense together it becomes even more nonsensical.

but you DO need a degree if youre going to arbitrarily disagree with the world's engineering consensus about how the towers collapsed.

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In reality, this whole thing has very little to do with the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, any alleged preplanted explosives or even the very laws of physics which my government (through it's cover-up report) claims were violated that day.

maybe not, but im not debating anything else. CTs have made such a big deal of the explosives, and this is what i take issue with. because there isnt a single fact supporting that particular thesis. i dont care about all the other red-herrings the CTs generate; ive seen enough of them disproved or falsified to doubt the entire "movement".

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 02:28:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
and yet, that "riddled story" hasn't been replaced by you (or others) into anything that resembles a coherent analysis. the so-called "holes" (most of which that ive seen arent holes at all) do not equate with conspiracy unless you can show me that they do.

after all these years, ive only ever seen "omg government conspiracy!", yet have been unable to locate a single thesis that joins all the dots the CTs have drawn. not one. mostly because when you try and piece the nonsense together it becomes even more nonsensical.

but you DO need a degree if youre going to arbitrarily disagree with the world's engineering consensus about how the towers collapsed.

maybe not, but im not debating anything else. CTs have made such a big deal of the explosives, and this is what i take issue with. because there isnt a single fact supporting that particular thesis. i dont care about all the other red-herrings the CTs generate; ive seen enough of them disproved or falsified to doubt the entire "movement".

It's funny but the FBI had initially reported that they believed that an explosives-laden van was what brought the towers down.

It's always interesting to see how stories changes to accommodate the facts but even more interesting to watch how in these conspiracies, the facts change to accommodate the story.

Go ahead and stick to trying to debunk the CD theory. I'm sure trying to debunk something for which they destroyed most of the evidence about is going to be a lot easier of a task than trying to refute all of the eyewitnesses who saw and heard much to the contrary.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 02:41:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
It's funny but the FBI had initially reported that they believed that an explosives-laden van was what brought the towers down.

It's always interesting to see how stories changes to accommodate the facts but even more interesting to watch how in these conspiracies, the facts change to accommodate the story.

what a load of nonsense. honestly, youre getting ridiculous. you see evil everywhere.

it really does border on the paranoia.

FACT 1: crazy and chaotic environments, such as planes crashing into buildings and buildings falling down create much misinformation.
FACT 2: those same environments breed inconsistencies
FACT 3: something said or seen or heard may not accurately reflect the "real" story

FACT 4: conspiracy theories breed in such environments, and rely too much on "information" gleaned from 1,2,3

i mean, honestly. you claim theres this big conspiracy, with FBI involvement, and then point at the FBI stating there could have been explosives used. if there were clandestine explosives and the FBI knew about them, they'd just tell the world about it of course.

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Go ahead and stick to trying to debunk the CD theory. I'm sure trying to debunk something for which they destroyed most of the evidence about is going to be a lot easier of a task than trying to refute all of the eyewitnesses who saw and heard much to the contrary.

whatever man. the evidence is in the science and the numerous reasons why the CD theory is simply impossible. anyone that knows anything about explosives, how they work and what they look like knows this.

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-23-2007 02:51:

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 02:58:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
what a load of nonsense. honestly, youre getting ridiculous. you see evil everywhere.

Maybe it was nonsense. Maybe the mainstream media was lying to us again.

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 03:10:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
there is nothing funny or interesting about not being able to come close to tying everthing you claim into one coherent argument, like pkcRAISTLIN has repeatedly challenged.

if you consistently find yourself unable to undertake his simple academic challenge, without getting too personal about it, what it has become now is you and others like you dancing around with words and innuendo your failure to admit you are wrong. simple as that.

Q, with all due respect, you're hardly one to talk. I don't think that you've presented anyone with an original or noteworthy idea for as long as you've been on this site, let alone given anyone a complete analysis of anything.

To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 03:18:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

then your assumptions all fail.

you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy.

it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo.

im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured.

Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-23-2007 03:21:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
then your assumptions all fail.

you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy.

it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo.

im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured.

As is very evident to even the most skillful of you shills, they're conspiring to keep the truth from us. That's enough for me.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-23-2007 03:24:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
As is very evident to even the most skillful of you shills, they're conspiring to keep the truth from us. That's enough for me.

that's a cop out and you know it. there are any number of reasons a government as shit as your present one wants to keep things secret. without a finely-made tapestry that has plausible reasoning you're merely playing 1000 different games of dont-connect-the-dots.

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-23-2007 03:46:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
Q, with all due respect, you're hardly one to talk. I don't think that you've presented anyone with an original or noteworthy idea for as long as you've been on this site, let alone given anyone a complete analysis of anything.

i'm not the one usually out on a limb though. you are. consistantly.

enough about me, i'm a clueless moron. what about the grand conspiracy?

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To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

so cop out? with all due respect of course.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Aug-23-2007 03:58:

Re: Re: Re: This is for all you "Truther" idiots.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
LOL, what in the world is a trusted media source?

An oxymoron...

Posted by shaolin_Z on Aug-23-2007 04:05:

Re: Re: Re: Re: This is for all you "Truther" idiots.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
An oxymoron...

Holy shite dude! Did we just agree on something...

Posted by Lilith on Aug-23-2007 04:49:

Posted by Arbiter on Aug-23-2007 06:51:

It's the selective skepticism that I find so amusing.

Any good conspiracy consists of at least two lies: the lie to fool your friends, and the lie to fool your enemies. Even if there is a conspiracy, what CT advocates believe is far more likely the latter of those two than anything resembling the "truth."

Posted by Fir3start3r on Aug-23-2007 07:25:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This is for all you "Truther" idiots.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Holy shite dude! Did we just agree on something...

Yes, we do have common ground besides tOOns

Posted by Magnetonium on Aug-23-2007 11:01:

Holly shit this thread is like another 9/11 thread again. But seriously, the Pentagon and the FBI all had to do to shut the CT's up was to release the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon from the gas station or elsewhere - not just the cropped, edited image frames, but complete video, and it would've been long over. But noooooo ... you see, we are not crazy. You others are crazy for being too uch spoon-fed sheep people. And once again, you ignore the events that have occurred as a result of the attacks, cue bono, and who made the profits, and the grave things that the people in charge done taking advantage of all this, intentionally and the way they wanted to. Passing ridiculous laws while leaving borders open, etc. etc. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

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