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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On This thread is a true testament to the fact that people both fear and hate that which is unfamiliar to them.

So you are saying that there is something in scientology that somehow redeems it from all its negative aspects?

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Originally posted by venomX So you are saying that there is something in scientology that somehow redeems it from all its negative aspects?

yeah, thats what i was thinking...

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Originally posted by venomX So you are saying that there is something in scientology that somehow redeems it from all its negative aspects?

No, actually.

I'm saying that most people don't know shit about Scientology other than what they saw on an episode of South Park and so jump to conclusions about its tenets.

I'm not even defending Scientology, really. In my opinion, it has its good points and its blaring, blaring bad points, just like any other organization or religion. I am, however, calling out all the people who hate something without knowing a lick about it. Those who denounce religions or people without knowing anything about them or hearing them out first. These same people are often quick to conclusions and fail to realize that there really are no conclusions other than the possibility for an individual to choose to cease learning and developing their horizons.

We're all ignorant bastards that say the same shit about any religion we don't know about. It's just blashemized more so than others.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, actually. I'm saying that most people don't know shit about Scientology other than what they saw on an episode of South Park and so jump to conclusions about its tenets. I'm not even defending Scientology, really. In my opinion, it has its good points and its blaring, blaring bad points, just like any other organization or religion. I am, however, calling out all the people who hate something without knowing a lick about it. Those who denounce religions or people without knowing anything about them or hearing them out first. These same people are often quick to conclusions and fail to realize that there really are no conclusions other than the possibility for an individual to choose to cease learning and developing their horizons.

one doesn't need to try being gang-raped to know its no good

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN could you elaborate further please?

If I am to understand Scientology correctly, it centres around healing oneself through rigorous discipline. That doesn't say much in itself, but I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that most people in this day and age are "damaged" in one way or another. I won't make claims to know "how it's always been", but it seems to me that overexposure to media such as television, internet, government, etc... is somehow draining the individuality and the spirit out of people. It's like people are controlled by mass media and are in need of some sort of salvation, and that Scientology delivers this on an individual level. I will not profess to claim whether this actually works or not, or is in fact the end-all solution to humanity's ailments, as I am not a Scientologist, but it seems to me that this is an answer to many people and for once it does not necessarily rely on archaic scribblings of long lost desert tribes with little relevance to the modern world...instead it is derived from science fiction novels by a mediocre author 50 some-odd years ago!

It seems to me that scientology is, in essence, the anti-prescription, even though it is a prescription of thought, nevertheless. That is its blaring fault. Nevertheless, it is a leading force in denouncing the widespread prescription of psychotropic mind-control drugs on children (Ritalin, primarily) in the US and that is something I have not seen any other "religious" organization tackle. For this reason alone, I would gladly support them in their efforts to guide people to prescribing their own cures and looking inwards rather than blindly taking the prescriptions of some licensed drug pusher who has everything to gain from doping children into submission and non-thought. Is it right? Is it correct? It's so hard to pick and choose these days - sometimes you must side with the lesser of all evils.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, actually. I'm saying that most people don't know shit about Scientology other than what they saw on an episode of South Park and so jump to conclusions about its tenets. I'm not even defending Scientology, really. In my opinion, it has its good points and its blaring, blaring bad points, just like any other organization or religion. I am, however, calling out all the people who hate something without knowing a lick about it. Those who denounce religions or people without knowing anything about them or hearing them out first. These same people are often quick to conclusions and fail to realize that there really are no conclusions other than the possibility for an individual to choose to cease learning and developing their horizons.

I know about scientology. It's a joke.

Hubbard is an author of fiction.

ur a fucking idiot Halcyon+On+On.

Thanks!

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Oh, nm.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There isn't much to fear from Scientology other than lawsuits.

The absence of any realistic or immediate fear has never ceased to frighten the weak of mind.

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Originally posted by Lomeli Thanks!

not u

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange ur a fucking idiot Halcyon+On+On.

Damn, you got me. Was wondering when somebody was going to find out.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Damn, you got me. Was wondering when somebody was going to find out.

don't have to find it out, you revealed it.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange ur a fucking idiot Halcyon+On+On.

Why? Everything he's said is completely rational and logical...how is that idiotic? Is it because you're neither of those things, and thus to you he seems like an idiot? I don't get it.

to me, anyone that believes in any religion is an idiot.

spirits? individuality? where the hell am i? oprahland? get a fucken grip.

Good point halcyon.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange to me, anyone that believes in any religion is an idiot.

Religion, by its nature, deals in absolutes. I don't see how you've demonstrated your divorce from its clutches.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange to me, anyone that believes in any religion is an idiot.

Then the only real idiot here is you, because nowhere in H2O's post did he say he was a believer of religion.

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Originally posted by jennypie Then the only real idiot here is you, because nowhere in H2O's post did he say he was a believer of religion.

Exactly. He was simply being an open minded ,educated person who actually took the time to know what it was about instead of being in the dark. That way when it came up he could say something more than " OMG IT'S LAME. TOME CRUISE IS THE DEVILLLLLLLLLL"

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Originally posted by jennypie Then the only real idiot here is you, because nowhere in H2O's post did he say he was a believer of religion.

this is idiotic.

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I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that most people in this day and age are "damaged" in one way or another. I won't make claims to know "how it's always been", but it seems to me that overexposure to media such as television, internet, government, etc... is somehow draining the individuality and the spirit out of people. It's like people are controlled by mass media and are in need of some sort of salvation,

it's one thing to say shit like this in jest, but i think he/she was serious.

How is that idiotic?? LOL, pea brain.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange spirits? individuality? where the hell am i? oprahland? get a fucken grip.

Well this is a decent point of discussion then. I think you took both of those terms from the same sentence of mine in which I said that humans were, in general, "broken" in some form or another.

Do you disagree with this?

Like I said before, I don't think that this is how it's always been. I think we're in a pretty sad state of affairs at the moment. If you look at human history, there's always been potential for revolt; potential for change, but in our current world, thought is prescribed to you through a little black box in every living room. How can things change (read: develop) when people's very thoughts are under some form of control or another?

The drug industry is enormous and reaches practically everywhere in the world. It's also completely legal with the correct documentation. I'm not denouncing drugs in general. But when everyone is on one form of prescription or another, where does that leave us? Under the rule of people ready to profit from our dependency. And when these drugs numb our ability to reason, where will our revolution be?

Once more, I'm not necessarily defending Scientology as a religion. I am, however, compliant in its supposed understanding that people should come to realization on their own terms rather than resorting to pills or televised repetition.

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it seems to me that overexposure to media such as television, internet, government, etc... is somehow draining the individuality and the spirit out of people. It's like people are controlled by mass media and are in need of some sort of salvation

You can't possibly be that dense.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange it's one thing to say shit like this in jest, but i think he/she was serious.

heh, I remember I was once sitting in a hospital waiting room when I was...hmm...12? I was thumbing through magazines, waiting for my name, when a family of 3 siblings came in, sat down, and gazed at the television. I didn't even know it was on. They sat there quiet and intent, gazing at this screen into utter nothingness - into prescription colours and scenarios, apparently unable to consider anything else in their environment other than what was on the display of this device. I'll never forget the look on that boy's face as he peered into it, amongst his sisters - it was the most vapid face I had ever seen and likely ever will see. It was as though he was not alive at all.

If you have a retort or even a treatise on how or why Ritalin and television are doing humanity a great service, I would be more than happy to read it.

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