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Posted by Ry Thomas on Sep-04-2007 16:20:

Ah i see, i must be one of the fortunate ones luckily, mine has been fine with my MOTU


Posted by richg101 on Sep-04-2007 16:28:

i use a celeron 2.6ghz

512meg ram

audiophile 2496 card



i doubt i will ever upgrade until the pc dies. this is more than enough power for making music. you just need to know how to make the most of it.


Posted by DeZmA on Sep-04-2007 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
i doubt i will ever upgrade until the pc dies. this is more than enough power for making music. you just need to know how to make the most of it.


It's not a matter of knowing how to make music, we all know we can bounce tracks and we can save cpu by using FX. But why should we bother if we have a system that can handle everything you want in real time. Besides, I doubt synths and sequencers will get less cpu-demanding in the future..


Posted by echosystm on Sep-05-2007 01:02:

Replace the Noctua cooler with a Scythe Ninja. I have one and it runs my E6600 without a fan @ ~max 40 degrees


Posted by damnuok on Sep-05-2007 14:24:

hmm...
this one?




quote:

Silent Warrior from Scythe ..... This silent warrior can silently attack your CPU heat to accomplish the multi-mission!

Model Name:
Ninja PLUS Rev.B CPU Cooler

Model Number:
SCNJ-1100P

Manufacturer:
Scythe Co., Ltd. Japan

Compatibility:
Intel:
Socket 478 all speeds
Socket T / (LGA)775 all speeds

AMD:
Socket 754 all speeds
Socket 939 all speeds
Socket 940 all speeds
Socket AM2 all speeds

Heatsink Dimensions:
110 x 110 x 150mm

Fan Dimensions:
120 x 120 x 25mm

Fan Noise Level:
20.94 dBA

Air Flow:
49.58 CFM

Fan Speed:
1200rpm

Weight:
640g (excl. fan weight)


and why is it better than NOCTUA NH-U12F ?



quote:
Socket compatibility - Intel Socket LGA 775, AMD K8 (754, 939, 940) & AM2
Height (without fan) - 155 mm
Width (without fan) - 126 mm
Depth (without fan) - 70 mm
Height (with fan) - 155 mm
Width (with fan) - 126 mm
Depth (with fan) - 95 mm
Weight (without fan) - 640 g
Weight (with fan) - 790 g
Material - Copper (base and heat-pipes), aluminium (cooling fins), soldered joints
Application - Intel all frequencies, AMD all frequencies
Fan size - 120x120x25mm / 120x120x38mm (2 fans mountable)
Fan - Noctua NF-S12-1200
Bearing - SSO-Bearing
Blade Geometry - Straight-Blade-Design
Rotational Speed (+/- 10%) - 1200 RPM
Rotational Speed with U.L.N.A. (+/- 10%) - 800 RPM
Airflow - 81 m�/h
Airflow with U.L.N.A. - 59 m�/h
Acoustical Noise - 17 dB(A)
Acoustical Noise with U.L.N.A. - 8 dB(A)
Input Power - 1,44 W
Input Current - 0,12 A
Voltage Range - 4-13 V
MTBF - > 150.000 h


?

cheers.


Posted by daeus on Sep-05-2007 14:33:

After research I just bought:

Edirol UA-25 (ua25)USB Audio Interface

http://www.dv247.com/invt/22462/

And KRK RP5 ROKIT (RP-5) (Pair) Monitors

http://www.dv247.com/invt/21992/

I havent tried them out yet but looking forward to


Posted by echosystm on Sep-05-2007 22:41:

If you want to run fanless, the Scythe is better because the fins are further apart (more air to heat up). Heatsinks with close fins do not work well passively, but obviously gain a bit more when a fan is put on them.

Also, if you look closely, the Scythe actually has a normal heatsink AND heatpipes. The Noctua only has heatpipes. Go check on silentpcreview, the Scythe is pretty close with a fan, but is much better passively.


Posted by damnuok on Sep-05-2007 23:19:

k mate, but that's the Scythe u're talking about? (the one I posted).


also a mate told me that cpus already have a cooler, therefore its not needed to buy one???


Posted by echosystm on Sep-06-2007 03:01:

Yes, that is the one.

Your cpu will come with a cooler, which is fine for most people. If you're anything like me though, you're not "most people". The last thing I want to hear is BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR when I'm trying to make music. I can't hear my computer because the only moving parts are the PSU fan and the hard drive.


Posted by Anti-Derivative on Sep-06-2007 04:18:

i just ordered a macbook. i'm pretty excited. im a PC user and normally wouldn't have even considered it but with the edu discount it came to the same price, or cheaper than most Win based laptops (and wasn't 'vista only') so it turned out a pretty good deal.


Posted by excite331 on Sep-06-2007 09:49:

Second going for a Scythe Ninja - they're excellent and you can even possibly go without a fan. I'd read up on www.silentpcreview.com - these guys are really in the know when it comes to hardware. There's plenty of advice on getting some decent, quiet, cooling going on there too.

For me, go with the Seasonic 420w PSU they recommend on there because anything more is pointless. I bought a 500w Seasonic for my DAW initially and had all sorts of problems because it's literally TOO much wattage for what I had. 420W is even too much really - if you've got dual-SLI graphics cards then you can think about more, otherwise - don't bother (from what I have gathered at least!).

Bare in mind a lot of motherboards will have a little teeny fan on them which are LOUD components - best find a passively cooled one.

Also you seem to be looking for some very pricey, hot and NOISY (fans!) GPU cards. I went for one of these: http://www.oninocomputing.co.uk/gra...300_128_mb.html - runs both my monitors at high res (1600x1200 and 1200xwhatever).

That is unless you want to play games or do graphics work of course.


Posted by echosystm on Sep-06-2007 09:57:

If you want to take the cooling side of things seriously...

Get a case which has a 120mm fan hole at the back. Take the fan off the scythe ninja, and put it there. It should be close enough to the heatsink to draw some heat off it directly. Also you will have the PSU fan above that. This creates a proper air pressure inside your computer, where the air HAS to come in the front, and go out the back.


Posted by damnuok on Sep-06-2007 14:02:

quote:
Originally posted by excite331
I bought a 500w Seasonic for my DAW initially and had all sorts of problems because it's literally TOO much wattage for what I had.

what kind of problems?

quote:

Also you seem to be looking for some very pricey, hot and NOISY (fans!) GPU cards. I went for one of these: http://www.oninocomputing.co.uk/gra...300_128_mb.html - runs both my monitors at high res (1600x1200 and 1200xwhatever).

That is unless you want to play games or do graphics work of course.


i was told ASUS N8500GT/HTD SILENT 256MB DDR2 PCI-E was good enough and not noisy graphic card...and it's not that pricey, only 85.60 �.


Posted by echosystm on Sep-06-2007 14:16:

Theres no such thing as "too much wattage". A 500W power supply does not supply 500W constantly, that is just the MOST it is rated to provide. Most basic computers won't go above 300W, which makes 400-500W a really safe bet.

The problem he was probably having is too high efficiency. When power supplies have really high efficiency (good), some mother boards won't boot up (bad).

For the record, silentpcreview rated the Corsairs above the Seasonics. The Seasonics were the previous leaders.


Posted by excite331 on Sep-11-2007 10:58:

With a 500w Seasonic PSU I had to hit the power switch sometimes 4-5 times before it would actually start. Then, if I was lucky it would actually make Windows - there were occasions where it would just drop off before getting there. Replaced with an Antec 430w and it now works fine. There is information on silentpcreview.com about this sort of thing and I do trust their information....as well as having first hand experience.

[edit] notice someone who knows more about this than me has corrected me! So yeah, 500w seems fine but maybe be wary of the issues I faced..

Damnuok - I think that gfx card I mentioned is more like 60 euro's if not less.


Posted by damnuok on Oct-02-2007 10:19:

Hey guys, finally, I have my new PC!

it's really amazing, I can run 25 vsti + 100 vst effects (65tracks) @ ~50% (-293ms overall latency)

Any recommendation ?


Posted by 3F05Q on Oct-02-2007 10:28:

quote:
Originally posted by damnuok
(-293ms overall latency)



So it can anticipate your input by more than a quarter of a second? Amazing!


Posted by damnuok on Oct-02-2007 10:31:

lool xd

this is what i get:

Buffer Size: 128 Samples
Input Latency: 3.63ms
Output Latency: 3.58ms
Driver Error Compensation: -300ms
Overall Latency: -293ms



shall i make any change or smth?


Posted by -_1_--Ben--_1_- on Oct-02-2007 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
If you want to take the cooling side of things seriously...

Get a case which has a 120mm fan hole at the back. Take the fan off the scythe ninja, and put it there. It should be close enough to the heatsink to draw some heat off it directly. Also you will have the PSU fan above that. This creates a proper air pressure inside your computer, where the air HAS to come in the front, and go out the back.


i have a antec p182 with 120mm fan on the rear and a fan (reversed)
on the scythe ninja, so the back fan is sucking and the other one is blowing, the ninja is in a kind of a wind tunnel, is this obsessive ?
gues not, if you watch at others with expensive watercooling.
it doesn`t even make much noise, only the psu is too loud.
never buy igreen :-P


Posted by Massive84 on Oct-02-2007 20:44:

quote:
Originally posted by damnuok
Hey guys, finally, I have my new PC!

it's really amazing, I can run 25 vsti + 100 vst effects (65tracks) @ ~50% (-293ms overall latency)

Any recommendation ?


So what specs you have?


Posted by Derivative on Oct-02-2007 22:43:

I can run 100+ instances of One Ping Only on my 1.6ghz p4. Can you feel the raw speed emanating from my puter box?!


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