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i used to think shifting bits of a song around would equal an "edit."
i used to think incorporating 2 breaks songs meant i could spin breaks.
i went through a couple name changes and eventually wish i just stuck with my birth name.
i have a bio in the 3rd person, albeit toned down cuz otherwise, yes, it is stupid. but written in the 1st person, it sounds like it's a blog.



live & learn. but yes, in retrospect, i agree that all the above can get on one's nerves.

what i find annoying is the need to categorize each song into a micro-genre. i understand that it's needed to define and describe songs, but only edm has genre subclasses to the power of negative 10, with such a wide discrepancy on what each subclass micro-genre is defined as.

i appreciate categories in order to sift through music, but seriously, there's a line when it becomes pointless.

oh, and i wish record stores still existed. i really miss shopping at a vinyl store. AND having good music to waste an afternoon listening through!

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Originally posted by b i n k u n oh, and i wish record stores still existed. i really miss shopping at a vinyl store. AND having good music to waste an afternoon listening through!

+1

Actually make that +3

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Originally posted by b i n k u n what i find annoying is the need to categorize each song into a micro-genre. i understand that it's needed to define and describe songs, but only edm has genre subclasses to the power of negative 10, with such a wide discrepancy on what each subclass micro-genre is defined as. i appreciate categories in order to sift through music, but seriously, there's a line when it becomes pointless. oh, and i wish record stores still existed. i really miss shopping at a vinyl store. AND having good music to waste an afternoon listening through!

+4. I can't even find a vinyl store in central london anymore that sells trance / prog / EDM.

Also the Genre thing, although useful to a point, so many go too far. I heard a Digweed set recently described as funky electro. Bullshit - it was prog house that happened to have some 80's sounds in it.

Went to bedrock too and hadn't been for while. Was billed as deep house and electro. Again, it was nothing more than prog.

The third person thing is debatable though. When you write press releases (as I have to do for work) they will always be in the 3rd person if you are writing it, so as to look like someone else wrote it, and therefore come across more professional. The real problem with these biogs is that they are written poorly and have so much filler/crap in them. This makes you feel that no-one else would have written it and then the whole 3rd person thing comes across stupid. Frankly who cares if you got a casio keyboard at 8 or your that your mum sent you to piano lessons and that's why you took up DJ'ing? It's hardly headlining at Dance Valley, or being the protege of a well known name.

I like shopping in a good record store where they can recommend stuff that you might not have thought of, but don't miss the stores full of ego maniacs who look down on you for any record you might like.

plenty of people are becoming the music equivalent of wine snobs these days with all the genres. Sure if can help you describe the elements of the music and communicate those ideas with others, but like wine, it all comes down to "i like that one".
although in the case of wines, they all get you drunk, not all music gets you dancing.

The biggest thing i hate is people who judge without experiencing/listening. They hate a producer but have only heard a dj set. They hate a dj but haven't ever seen them in a club environment. I am a picky bastard that doesn't bite my tongue when i don't like something, but even I give the benefit of the doubt and suck it up to see acts I have a feeling i might not like at least once. These also tend to be the people who ask you," Have you heard that [producer with ALOT of decent to great stuff] track? Its really insane!" When you ask them which one they say i don't know...yet the can roll off every piece of release info and what colour shirt the producer was wearing when they do not like something without missing a beat. To me its like someone telling me that only the green m&m's taste good and the rest are poison.

Them: Oh cool! So what type of music do you produce?

Me: Mostly Trance, some breaks, might do some DnB.

Them: oh...


No worries though, just a small town thing I suppose.

i went to the local vinyl store today..all it was was clasic rock and crap. I asked for the trance, break beat, and house vinyls..litterally he pulled out a single small crate that was called "misc." and i looked through and maybe 1/8 of the records were EDM. I saw Paul Oakenfold - Faster Kill Pussycat or whatnot for 20.00!!! i paid 6.99 i think for mine..so yeah.i dont miss them

Me: Yeah I mainly like to listen to trance.

Them: Oh yeah I love trance, been listening to it for a while now. Have you heard the new track by Bob Sinclair - World Hold On?

Me: ...

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Originally posted by Inertia the fact that an actual DEMO OF MUSIC won't do you anywhere near as good as doing coke with a promoter.

A huge +1

RJT sticks Edit next to a lot of the tunes he plays.

so (and i'm addressing this to whoever feels like answering it)... in your opinion, does cutting out a pretty huge portion of the middle of a song - like getting rid of 4 minutes of the track because it's too long, or getting rid of an annoying breakdown/section of the track - constitute an edit? i mean if i heard a track in a set and then searched down the tracklist and bought it and it was notably different than what i was expecting, i'd probably be a bit annoyed.

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Originally posted by l�cid so (and i'm addressing this to whoever feels like answering it)... in your opinion, does cutting out a pretty huge portion of the middle of a song - like getting rid of 4 minutes of the track because it's too long, or getting rid of an annoying breakdown/section of the track - constitute an edit? i mean if i heard a track in a set and then searched down the tracklist and bought it and it was notably different than what i was expecting, i'd probably be a bit annoyed.

Where would your annoyance be directed?

In any case, sure it would be an edit, but is it an edit worth mentioning. In a live setting no one is going to realize anything and i guess if you did it on a promo mix, I dunno... unless I was really altering the tune beyond just structural changes, I personally wouldn't bother.

If I take out a breakdown or a section, not really worth it- if I for example, added a breakbeat section or chopped up another section and made some new patterns and stuff, yeah- I'd call it an edit.

if somebody asked on the spot, I'd say mention it, but I wouldn't put it in a tl or a chart, because then you get into nitpicking & throwing 'edit' after everything. imo, it takes rearranging (not just chopping up) and/or additional sounds to be an edit worth mentioning in writing. I actually like seeing a TL with no edits listed, but in which all the tracks sound different in the mix. Leaves more to the imagination.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Where would your annoyance be directed? In any case, sure it would be an edit, but is it an edit worth mentioning. In a live setting no one is going to realize anything and i guess if you did it on a promo mix, I dunno... unless I was really altering the tune beyond just structural changes, I personally wouldn't bother. If I take out a breakdown or a section, not really worth it- if I for example, added a breakbeat section or chopped up another section and made some new patterns and stuff, yeah- I'd call it an edit.

ok, for example - i just got a track that goes from the breakdown into this annoying section with sort of distorted sounding video gamey siren noises (sorry that's the best i can explain it, lol)... and i removed the whole breakdown and epic noisy part so the track is basically just chillin' all the way through.

if i end up using it in a demo, i just don't know if that's worth mentioning or not.

The more of it you played after the part you cut out, the more I'd be inclined to say to call it an edit. I'll leave it to the semi-pros, though

Personally I'd call it an edit, but just make sure you're not all pretentious about it. For example, not be like "(DJ Lucid Super-Crazy-Awesome edit)" or something...but just saying (edit) or (edited).

That's my opinion.

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 Personally I'd call it an edit, but just make sure you're not all pretentious about it. For example, not be like "(DJ Lucid Super-Crazy-Awesome edit)" or something...but just saying (edit) or (edited). That's my opinion.

damnit, that's totally how i was going to label it!

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Originally posted by l�cid damnit, that's totally how i was going to label it!

haha, sorry for dashing your dreams there

blow me - poo (DJ i am an attention-whore that did absolutely nothing to said poo.. edit)

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Originally posted by starboy blow me - poo (steve lawler edit)

fixed

He is the worst to do that as far as i can tell in the pro ranks. The fact that so many people love Lawler amazes me.
Never finishes gigs, a rotten prick, now to make it worse he has Audiofly to produce tracks so he can add a few hi hats and the baseline of Simpler to it that every one will eat up because its Steve "I look homeless" Lawler. Recnetly i was told by someone they didn't like the style of music i played. Later that week i saw a Lawler track listing with a few of the same tracks as in my set in it. The funny thing is she won't like it when i play it, but if Lawler plays its like OMG JESUS TOUCHED MY CROTCH. (Greg confirm or deny). The only DJ worth worshipping anymore id Dave Clarke,and i don't even like bang your tits off hard techno. He just is the only DJ that doesn't fucking care about whats in and actually still uses 4 decks.

/ rant

that felt good

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Originally posted by starboy blow me - poo (DJ i am an attention-whore that did absolutely nothing to said poo.. edit)

pretty much +1 right here.


i think in todays age of technology, this sort of thing just becomes second nature... i personally end up doing a little bit of something to a looot of what I play.

i think unless you've done something great enough to want your name attached to that edit of the song, you shouldnt label it as an edit.

i think thats vague enough to work for everyone

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak boom boom boom boom fixed He is the worst to do that as far as i can tell in the pro ranks. The fact that so many people love Lawler amazes me. Never finishes gigs, a rotten prick, now to make it worse he has Audiofly to produce tracks so he can add a few hi hats and the baseline of Simpler to it that every one will eat up because its Steve "I look homeless" Lawler. Recnetly i was told by someone they didn't like the style of music i played. Later that week i saw a Lawler track listing with a few of the same tracks as in my set in it. The funny thing is she won't like it when i play it, but if Lawler plays its like OMG JESUS TOUCHED MY CROTCH. (Greg confirm or deny). The only DJ worth worshipping anymore id Dave Clarke,and i don't even like bang your tits off hard techno. He just is the only DJ that doesn't fucking care about whats in and actually still uses 4 decks. / rant that felt good boom boom boom boom

RJT getting down with my chicken sandwich edit.



fixed


ps the worse thing is when people call something a remix and do not do anything but add bits of other songs on top without crediting them. Accessability to technology makes people think they are talented for clicking a mouse 6 times. Call it a bootleg at least, if you say remix without having permission from the label, you should just change your name Greg Downey.


making a kick ass mix with your name on it>taking credit for edits. When i do them i don't write anything on them. If people wonder why a track is different when they buy it, well that is what they get for trainspotting.


pps if you play another tracks drum pattern over a breakdown you take out the breakdown..its called mixing, not a live edit.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak RJT getting down with my chicken sandwich edit. fixed ps the worse thing is when people call something a remix and do not do anything but add bits of other songs on top without crediting them. Accessability to technology makes people think they are talented for clicking a mouse 6 times. Call it a bootleg at least, if you say remix without having permission from the label, you should just change your name Greg Downey. making a kick ass mix with your name on it>taking credit for edits. When i do them i don't write anything on them. If people wonder why a track is different when they buy it, well that is what they get for trainspotting. pps if you play another tracks drum pattern over a breakdown you take out the breakdown..its called mixing, not a live edit.

ahh all nite freak... we think the same...

confirm!

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Originally posted by l�cid ok, for example - i just got a track that goes from the breakdown into this annoying section with sort of distorted sounding video gamey siren noises (sorry that's the best i can explain it, lol)... and i removed the whole breakdown and epic noisy part so the track is basically just chillin' all the way through. if i end up using it in a demo, i just don't know if that's worth mentioning or not.

That sounds like a Fat Boy Slim track I can't quite remember. Everything was gold except for that annoying siren breakdown, it's crazy or something to think that sounds good. Maybe the point of it was to make it sound so terrible that people would love for the good part of the tune to come back into focus, which does.

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