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Originally posted by SCUM And think about it well Mr Oppression i would hate to see you debase yourself for the 2 time.

Again, could you be a bit more specific on particulars, please? You've mentioned a few categories previously, but they were so general it's difficult to decifer exactly what your position is specifically.

So could you help/humor us a bit more and discuss your positions more specifically?

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Originally posted by SCUM OOOOOOOO I see now you want censership. A big man you r. Go and buy a book on Joseph Stalin. You communist rat!!!!!!!1

You have to understand something. It's highly probable that I will disagree with you on a number of issues. But I am more than willing to hear your viewpoints provided that you actually give them and cease with the flaming and name calling.

I'm trying to help you keep from getting banned or suspended, so please work with me here. Cut down the branding and the ad hominem attacks and stick to the debate. Now again, please give me specifics on the general positions you outlined previously.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmm, how strange of me not to realize this was a "liberal move" of sorts. Perhaps you could demonstrate with evidence how liberals somehow own this "move"? Ummm, because you stated: Which is subject to anyone posting to ask you to clarify your generalization further. Because the onus of this argument is not originated with my reply. I needed your clarification on the details on what you agree with before I make any coherent answer, especially since I don't listen to Michael Savage. You do realize it's difficult to agree or disagree with someone whom you never listen to, right? Hence my point. That's awful neighborly of you. Perhaps you can once again clarify why you think liberalism is a mental disorder (with me included). Can you be specific as to why? I want a million ice-cream sandwiches, but neither of our wants are terribly realistic now, are they? How would you propose your want is somehow more realistic to accomplish? A bit of a generalization, but in general I would agree. All of Islam in general, or just particular factions? Again some clarification is in order. Again a pretty generalization, but I would argue that I am all of these as well. It's a bit when someone who agrees with what I have heard as an uberConservative shock-jock tends to call out someone whom he's never met a brainwashed individual. You're speaking volumes about yourself, albeit unintentially. I think you need to clarify a bit more about your positions above, and be a bit careful about your hasty generalizations and conclusions on others. Sorry, sir, I don't dance. Furthermore, I have little time depicting an all incumbent evil being that has no positive, verifiable, and falsifiable evidence of its existence. I hope you can understand, but it matters so very little to me if you do not.

I would like to unlock the chains around the liberal mind. Whether you know it or not as a liberal you are a prisoner For too long you have lived in a cage where liberal ideas and only liberal ideas are expressed. It's entirely possible that you never meet or listen to anybody outside of your small circle of liberal thinkers. And if there is a dissenting opinion raised which is very rare in your cloistered environments the person offering the opinion is laughed at as being eccentric throwback to a more primitive time.In the end your tolerance of the intolerable is actually a reflection of your loss of clarity your tolerance of virtually everything and your anything goes attitude is not a mark of liberalism it's a mark of the DEGENERATION OF YOUR ABILITY TO JUDGE ANYTHING.

STOP SMOKING POT AND GROW UP CLOWN

Speaking of being brainwashed, I have a book that you might be interested in reading. It's called "The Authoritarians," By Dr. Bob Altemeyer. You can attain a free reading here:

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeye...horitarians.pdf

One of the better passages is on page 75, and it seems rather fitting:

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first and foremost, followers have mainly copied the beliefs of the authorities in their lives. They have not developed and thought through their ideas as much as most people have. Thus almost anything can be found in their heads if their authorities put it there, even stuff that contradicts other stuff. A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly a high RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it. So can everybody, of course, and my wife loves to catch inconsistencies in my reasoning when we�re having a friendly discussion about one of my personal failures. But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic.

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Speaking of being brainwashed, I have a book that you might be interested in reading. It's called "The Authoritarians," By Dr. Bob Altemeyer. You can attain a free reading here: http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeye...horitarians.pdf One of the better passages is on page 75, and it seems rather fitting: Thoughts?

No I don't want to read your what sounds like a marxis book. Ok so we could go on with this for ever.I don't think you'r a bad person i just wish you would tune up your mental health.

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Originally posted by SCUM I would like to unlock the chains around the liberal mind. Whether you know it or not as a liberal you are a prisoner For too long you have lived in a cage where liberal ideas and only liberal ideas are expressed. It's entirely possible that you never meet or listen to anybody outside of your small circle of liberal thinkers. And if there is a dissenting opinion raised which is very rare in your cloistered environments the person offering the opinion is laughed at as being eccentric throwback to a more primitive time.In the end your tolerance of the intolerable is actually a reflection of your loss of clarity your tolerance of virtually everything and your anything goes attitude is not a mark of liberalism it's a mark of the DEGENERATION OF YOUR ABILITY TO JUDGE ANYTHING. STOP SMOKING POT AND GROW UP CLOWN

the school of liberalism is responsible for your entire way of life you highschool dropout. liberalism and conservatism are identical on a myriad of issues. fuck. another ignorant yank.

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Originally posted by SCUM I would like to unlock the chains around the liberal mind.

Well that's what we're all here for - everyone has a voice to demonstrate and support their opinions with evidence.

How long shall we be waiting for you to do so?

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Whether you know it or not as a liberal you are a prisoner

Darn. And all this time I thought I've lived the good life. I guess I need to be in lockstep with a good, solid ultra-right wing Conservative AM radio shock jock in order to be "free" then?

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For too long you have lived in a cage where liberal ideas and only liberal ideas are expressed.

Don't look now, champ, but you're talking to a former Republican from Kansas. Methinks you're beginning to talk a bit from your backside.

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It's entirely possible that you never meet or listen to anybody outside of your small circle of liberal thinkers.

It's entirely possible that you humped the neighbors dog, but since we're both speculating it's difficult to know with certainty, isn't it?

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And if there is a dissenting opinion raised which is very rare in your cloistered environments the person offering the opinion is laughed at as being eccentric throwback to a more primitive time.

I'm just curious, but you wouldn't happen to be reading from a Michael Savage transcript, would you?

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In the end your tolerance of the intolerable is actually a reflection of your loss of clarity your tolerance of virtually everything and your anything goes attitude is not a mark of liberalism it's a mark of the DEGENERATION OF YOUR ABILITY TO JUDGE ANYTHING.

Almost sounds like an old Iron Maiden song, doesn't it?

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STOP SMOKING POT

Gave up all recreational drugs and alcohol long ago, champ. I've seen enough idiocy with my soon to be profession in the hospital as a student physical therapist to know how destructive it can be. How about you?

Again it would do you credit to cut down the hasty generalizations, especially when you're proven quite incorrect such as above.

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AND GROW UP

Given your recalcitrant, childish answers thus far, one would conclude that you are not well qualified to tell others this.

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CLOWN

Last chance before a moderator intervenes, champ. You might want to review this thread that our moderator put up, specifically Rule 2:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...777&forumid=66&

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Originally posted by SCUM No I don't want to read your what sounds like a marxis book. Ok so we could go on with this for ever.

Hmmm, strange considering what you said earlier:

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And if there is a dissenting opinion raised which is very rare in your cloistered environments the person offering the opinion is laughed at as being eccentric throwback to a more primitive time.

But I guess some dissenting voices are not to be as heard as others.

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I don't think you'r a bad person i just wish you would tune up your mental health.

Gosh, how sweet of you to be thinking of me. Thanks a gob.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Well that's what we're all here for - everyone has a voice to demonstrate and support their opinions with evidence. How long shall we be waiting for you to do so? Darn. And all this time I thought I've lived the good life. I guess I need to be in lockstep with a good, solid ultra-right wing Conservative AM radio shock jock in order to be "free" then? Don't look now, champ, but you're talking to a former Republican from Kansas. Methinks you're beginning to talk a bit from your backside. It's entirely possible that you humped the neighbors dog, but since we're both speculating it's difficult to know with certainty, isn't it? I'm just curious, but you wouldn't happen to be reading from a Michael Savage transcript, would you? Almost sounds like an old Iron Maiden song, doesn't it? Gave up all recreational drugs and alcohol long ago, champ. I've seen enough idiocy with my soon to be profession in the hospital as a student physical therapist to know how destructive it can be. How about you? Again it would do you credit to cut down the hasty generalizations, especially when you're proven quite incorrect such as above. Given your recalcitrant, childish answers thus far, one would conclude that you are not well qualified to tell others this. Last chance before a moderator intervenes, champ. You might want to review this thread that our moderator put up, specifically Rule 2: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...777&forumid=66&

ooooooo your a republican i see i knew there was something under it all!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha we need a new thread for this WTF

And you say you don't listen to Dr savage WTF Go listen and get back to me ok go listen.http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i doubt you could even give us a definition of what liberalism is you ignorant redneck.

One thing you should understand, "Liberalism is a mental disorder," is probably the most famous quote made by Michael Savage. In fact I believe the first political book he wrote had that as the title. I totally disagree with this saying, especially since he uses it too often to dismiss many ideas and actions his liberal counterparts make. To Savage, liberals are everything that is wrong in the world. They are the Red Diaper Doper Babies who wish to install a Communist regime in the US, they are the greedy lawyers who suck the system dry winning many frivolous lawsuits, they are the sympathisizers of Islam, the ones who support open borders and amnesty, and the homosexual movement pushing for gay marriage. They are anyone who threatens the sovereignty of America and must either be imprisoned or thrown out of the country. Yes, Savage can be a total right-wing nut often enough, but when he's not going into fanatical tirades of the Left, there are other times when him and his cynicism, makes perfect sense.

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Originally posted by SCUM ooooooo your a republican i see i knew there was something under it all!!!!!!!!!!

Umm, I believe I said I once was a Republican, not that I am one now. I think I'm missing your point here (if you had one). Actually, I'm willing to bet a lot of people are missing your point.

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ha ha ha ha ha we need a new thread for this WTF

Why's that? What can we not discuss here that isn't germane to the topic of this thread?

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Originally posted by SCUM And you say you don't listen to Dr savage WTF

Is it really that hard for you to believe?

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Go listen and get back to me ok go listen.http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

Rather than you send me on a fun little scavenger hunt on another website, why don't you demonstrate some intellectual integrity, debate me in good faith, and answer the original question I posed to you. Here, I'll post it again:

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what specifically do you agree with Mr. Savage's viewpoints?

Again, the onus is on you (not me) to define your viewpoints (which apparently are in agreeance with Savage's) in more detail. Please do so.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Umm, I believe I said I once was a Republican, not that I am one now. I think I'm missing your point here (if you had one). Actually, I'm willing to bet a lot of people are missing your point.

Dude...you're supposed to be a Democrat when you're young and gradually convert to the GOP as you age! What's wrong witchu? You're like backwards and shit!

I'm gonna guess SCUM is the 1 person who agrees with Michael Savage 100% of the time. I find it pathetic that anyone would base their worldview on a radio show host. I would consider myself generally conservative, but SCUM seems to be far far right. People who are so radical usually don't argue based on any evidence. They just slander the opposing viewpoints, such as Michael Savage's belief that all liberalism is a mental disorder. There are many parts of liberalism I don't like, but I don't consider the majority of liberals mentally insane.

I learned a long time ago in debate or ethics, something like that, that when argueing, you should always consider what the opposing viewpoint is. Where are they coming from? Why are they making the arguement? From there, I am better able to analyze their arguement, and thus come up with my own arguement to refute the opposing viewpoint. This is something SCUM needs to learn, because ad hominems are not intellectual arguements. SCUM, you will be banned if you continue to use ad hominem attacks. If you have an arguement, state in a coherent and understandable fassion, because name calling, slants, and slander are not tolerated here.

Read the rules, HERE

Think for yourself and don't let the right wing radio indoctrinate you. I consider myself a right winger, conservative, but I still think for myself, and I regularly disagree with what Michael Savage, Hannity, and a few radio hosts have to say, but I agree at the same time with a lot of stuff. I never let their rants though influence what I myself think. I particularly like the Dennis Miller radio show, he is a rational, moderate kind of conservative. I used to be a Michael Savage conservative too, until the Iraq war woke me up out of my closed mindedness, and I realized that conservatives aren't perfect either. And that's when I began examining BOTH sides of the issues at hand, and not just look at them through one side. That trully is blinding yourself. SCUM, be a conservative, but don't be an asshole, mindfucked by right wing radio, conservative. Have an open mind, and if you really want to debate, debate with intellectual arguements, and stop with the ad hominem BS..

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Originally posted by Krypton Think for yourself and don't let the right wing radio indoctrinate you. I consider myself a right winger, conservative, but I still think for myself, and I regularly disagree with what Michael Savage, Hannity, and a few radio hosts have to say, but I agree at the same time with a lot of stuff. I never let their rants though influence what I myself think. I particularly like the Dennis Miller radio show, he is a rational, moderate kind of conservative. I used to be a Michael Savage conservative too, until the Iraq war woke me up out of my closed mindedness, and I realized that conservatives aren't perfect either. And that's when I began examining BOTH sides of the issues at hand, and not just look at them through one side. That trully is blinding yourself. SCUM, be a conservative, but don't be an asshole, mindfucked by right wing radio, conservative. Have an open mind, and if you really want to debate, debate with intellectual arguements, and stop with the ad hominem BS..

Well put.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Umm, I believe I said I once was a Republican, not that I am one now. I think I'm missing your point here (if you had one). Actually, I'm willing to bet a lot of people are missing your point. Why's that? What can we not discuss here that isn't germane to the topic of this thread?

Ok Mr sir you have nothing to say. From the start you have had nothing to say.I told you what i agree with Dr savage on. And your biggest flop is you don't listen to the show.

I told you what you r Want to know why? Because you use SARCASM as your argument. SARCASM is a form of humor. So stop with the empty suit nonsense!!!!!!!!!

Hey Junior--I don't think you're ready to post in this forum yet. Don't take it personally. Just remember I told you so when you find yourself increasingly irrelevant here. You're lucky Opus has gone easy on you up until now.

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Originally posted by Shakka Hey Junior--I don't think you're ready to post in this forum yet. Don't take it personally. Just remember I told you so when you find yourself increasingly irrelevant here. You're lucky Opus has gone easy on you up until now.

OOOOOOO I am so scared sir. What should i do? Big bad opus going to get me with more humor

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Originally posted by SCUM OOOOOOO I am so scared sir. What should i do? Big bad opus going to get me with more humor

He might, but we won't be laughing with you, we'll be laughing at you.

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Originally posted by Shakka He might, but we won't be laughing with you, we'll be laughing at you.

And????????? You think you and your boyfriends r going to bruise my ego? Ha never never!!!!!!!!GO HOME!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by SCUM Ok Mr sir you have nothing to say. From the start you have had nothing to say.

I'm not stating anything because you have not defined your positions well at all in further detail. I've tried my best to give you a chance to do so, and you continually sidestep my direct questions posed to you.

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I told you what i agree with Dr savage on. And your biggest flop is you don't listen to the show.

I doubt anyone here but you considers that a "flop", but you're correct that you told me about your shared views with Savage, and you're also correct in pointing out that I do not listen to him. However, whether or not I listen to him is wholly irrelevant to the agreed points with Savage IN FURTHER DETAIL that we are all trying to figure out here. You have not defined those any further, so how can you expect me or anyone else to have a worthwhile discourse with you until you have done so?

As an individual in this forum, I am doing my best to respect you enough and give you a chance to further define your views with verifiable evidence IN DETAIL. You've discussed some of those issues in general such as liberalism being a mental disorder (with me included in that category), you're all for borders, language and culture, you believing Islam is not a peaceful religion, etc. I appreciate you starting this conversation with these given categories, but what is desperately needed from you (among other things) is a bit more detail and examples that I asked from you earlier on these given topics you chose.

When someone brings up an point of contention in this forum that they wish to debate and discuss, the onus is on that person to support their contention with verifiable evidence. You have stated that you agree with Savage. You have named a handful of topics to which you agree with him on. Now what is needed from you in order for anyone to have a worthwhile discussion is evidence that supports your contention in each topic that you brought up. Surely you're capable of doing so, aren't you?

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I told you what you r Want to know why? Because you use SARCASM as your argument. SARCASM is a form of humor. So stop with the empty suit nonsense!!!!!!!!!

I think I'm not the only one who's a bit confused by your attempts at a debate here. Was that really an attempt at sarcasm on your part?

SCUM: you seem to be acting in the manner you have chosen to name yourself.
Well I don't put up with Scum here so you are now banned from this forum.

thank fuck for that

And with that, I told him so!

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