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Originally posted by Aesthetic What's XP DAW edition about, Magnus? I recently got a copy of tinyxp which is like a 200mb install of XP and cuts out all the unnecessary bullcrap, frees up like an additional 100 meg ram that xp used to use, and i'm pretty sure is easier on the CPU too.. I'm considering installing that when I build my next machine.

as neat as tinyxp is, you open yourself up to a lot of instability. not worth it imo!

Yeah I tried tinyxp too and it didn't have some networking shit and I couldn't get any computer I installed it on on the internet or home network >=(

hey guys, I really wanna know, if I can use the 4 cores with live?
I mean, smth like use 1 core for some tracks with some vsts intrusments, 1 for vst effects, other for audio files, other for etc and etc...

is it possible?
also, one guy told me that my money will be better spent on a faster speed dual core, which will run better than a quad core at slower speed, cause if ableton doesnt fully support cores, it'll just run a single 2.4ghz (and the other 3 cores will be kinda useless) while the dualcore 3.0ghz would also run just 1 core, but faster, 3ghz...

any opinions?

for now, isn't it better to go for the heaviest single cores?

Like the FX60 from AMD? I know in reason at least, when i went from pentium 4 2.8 gighz to my current AMD 4000 san diego. My cpu capacity increased by 4-5 times at least.

Though i tried some VSTs and i know for example that some presets from NI Massive can take my entire cpu to 100%..freaking weird.


Anyway i'll be goign for the FX60 when i get the money. Can't be arsed to get a new pc every year.

Ok, had some extensive producing sessions with this baby

First of all, my system runs pretty stable (Windows XP SP2). As i sayd im running a Core 2 Duo E6850 on an Asrock ConRoe1333-D667 mainboard. 2 Gigs of 800 Mhz Patriot ram and a Leadtek grafic card with a Geforce 8400GS Chip. Paid 600 � for the whole system (HD, Tower... included).

First i was a bit unsure about the mainboard, with a pricing of circa 50 � it is far below low budget. Blessedly there havent been any disappointments till now .


To get a good relation of how strong the new cpu is i opened a project i made with Fruityloops 6 on my old Computer (Msi Mainboard, Athlon XP 2800 which is comparable to pentium 4 2400, 1 GB ram). Its about 7 minutes long and contains following plugins.

z3ta x 4
refx Vanguard x 3
Albino 3 x 1
Fruity Parametriq EQ x 11
Fruity Free Filter x 5
Fruity Delay 2 x 5
Steinberg Bitcrusher x 3
mg TriggerGate x 5
Fruity Phaser x 1
dblue Glitch x 4
Fruity Peak Controler x 2.

A sample can be downloaded
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I remember my Athlon Xp 2800 stuck at 100 % load at this project. The E6850 reaches about 30 % at Peak times, in average it uses about 20 % workload and besides that im still connected to the internet, running thunderbird and pidgin instant messenger.
Obviously my new system is about 5 times stronger when producing with Fruityloops but this might differ abit when working with other programms.

Then i tried to shred the cpu with a pad using as much layers / plugins as possible, which was an absurd idea i noticed later. You can laugh about me here .

The pad contains 2 x z3ta, 3 x Albino 3, 2 x Native Instruments Massive, 3 x refx Vanguard and a few effect plugs. Cpu usage in average around 10 %.

Sample can be downloaded here.

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Originally posted by Massive84 for now, isn't it better to go for the heaviest single cores? Like the FX60 from AMD? I know in reason at least, when i went from pentium 4 2.8 gighz to my current AMD 4000 san diego. My cpu capacity increased by 4-5 times at least. Though i tried some VSTs and i know for example that some presets from NI Massive can take my entire cpu to 100%..freaking weird. Anyway i'll be goign for the FX60 when i get the money. Can't be arsed to get a new pc every year.

core 2 duo is the best way to go atm... you wont find anything comparable for the price. and both core`s are used. so actualy your mhz is doubled.

core 2 quad are two core2duo processor`s packed on one plate. i have not heard anything good about this cpu so far, would acualy wait for a real quad core to come out.

wow thats quite nice then!!. I guess i should consider this in the future as well. I guess Reason won't go beyond 10% cpu usage with that processor.

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Originally posted by soundrush core 2 duo is the best way to go atm... you wont find anything comparable for the price. and both core`s are used. so actualy your mhz is doubled. core 2 quad are two core2duo processor`s packed on one plate. i have not heard anything good about this cpu so far, would acualy wait for a real quad core to come out.

hey mate, that's exactly what im going to get!
just wanted to know, what cooler do u have?
im probably going to get a NOCTUA NH-U12F or a SCYTHE NINJA PLUS REV. B, but I'm not sure yet... any other suggestions?

i want smth not that big, not that hot and not that noisy :P

ohh, also, what soundcard do u have?

oh, im not sure about the cooler. mine is pretty loud atm, but im looking for a quite one.
both cooler`s you name there seem to be pretty good so i would probably go for the cheaper one of them.

as soundcard i use creative x-fi fatality. actualy this is a gamer soundcard but the audioquality is pretty good and it supports asio 2, 32 bit and all the stuff i need for producing.

if you`re looking for a rather pure producing solution i would go for e-mu 0404 or a m-audio soundcard.

Well i just upgraded my pc ..(again..)

I went from AMD San Diego 4000, 2.41 gighz, 1mb L2cashe memory, with 2 gig PC3200 (i think 400mhz) Ram.

To this

E6750, Overclocked to 3 gighz (So the same as E6850) 4 gig Ram 800Mhz, though my windows only recognizes 3 gig. The dude explaind me that it's because am running windows 32 bits not 64. Is that true? any verification on this would be helpfull.

So far to be honnest, i see that there is 15-25% less cpu usage on some ofmy projects. It seems the TOXIC 3 synth is still a heavy synth.

Don't know. Was my old processor that strong?? i doubt it.

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Originally posted by Massive84 Well i just upgraded my pc ..(again..) I went from AMD San Diego 4000, 2.41 gighz, 1mb L2cashe memory, with 2 gig PC3200 (i think 400mhz) Ram. To this E6750, Overclocked to 3 gighz (So the same as E6850) 4 gig Ram 800Mhz, though my windows only recognizes 3 gig. The dude explaind me that it's because am running windows 32 bits not 64. Is that true? any verification on this would be helpfull. So far to be honnest, i see that there is 15-25% less cpu usage on some ofmy projects. It seems the TOXIC 3 synth is still a heavy synth. Don't know. Was my old processor that strong?? i doubt it.

Wow, nice setup you build there, how much did you pay?

Maybe Toxic3 doesnt support multicore cpu`s and just one core is running. guess you`ll notice the improvement when running more programms at once.

As far is i know xp is capable of using 4 gigs. 2 gb for the os itself and maximum of 2gb for external programms.

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Originally posted by soundrush Wow, nice setup you build there, how much did you pay? Maybe Toxic3 doesnt support multicore cpu`s and just one core is running. guess you`ll notice the improvement when running more programms at once. As far is i know xp is capable of using 4 gigs. 2 gb for the os itself and maximum of 2gb for external programms.

439 euro for the Mobo ,cpu, and the ram.

I kept my Leadtek 7900 GTX and 620 Harddrive and soundblaster audigy 4. The dude who i bought the stuff from, also configurated and rebuilded the pc for me for only 10 euro


Hmm so what does support Duo cores? As far as i can tell from your post.

massive, zeta, vanguard?

As for the ram, i know windows can use 4 gig. He said that as well. It's just in my properties, the menu can only count up to 3 gig. Not 4. Same if i check in the Bios.

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Originally posted by Diginerd I've been running a dual clovertown system for nearly a year now and certain applications scale much better than others. Cubase is horrible at it. It does use all the cores, but if you have many live inputs the amount of "Baseline" CPU that gets chewed up is horrendous. If I have 32 I/O running, I'm at 1/3 CPU load. Doesn't sound so bad until you realise that on a standard core 2 duo CPU the load is around 15% doing the same thing... To put that in perspective, I have 8 cores accross the 2 clovertown CPUs running at 2.4GHz on a 1006Mhz Bus (No, they're not "Release" parts for those trying to work out what chips I actually have), the core 2 Duo has 2 cores running at 1.86 GHz! Bad bad bad Steinberg! Pro Tools on the otherhand is awesome. Very very well handled multi threading. I can run flat out with no problems and the amount of plugins I can have running is insane. So now I write & sequence on the core2duo, and record and mix on the clovertown machine.. I don't know about other apps as I don't use them.. Your Milage may Vary..

Heh. I was just looking at purchasing two E5335s, with a SUPERMICRO X7DAE. So Cubase doesn't handle Quad's so well does it eh? Good to know. Although like you, I was mainly interested in boosting the performance of my LE system. Most of us don't have the money for a HD Digidesign setup, so I'm going to build an "8 core" system.

Hmmm. I think I'll PM you.

---Adam

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Originally posted by soundrush Ok, had some extensive producing sessions with this baby First of all, my system runs pretty stable (Windows XP SP2). As i sayd im running a Core 2 Duo E6850 on an Asrock ConRoe1333-D667 mainboard. 2 Gigs of 800 Mhz Patriot ram ..

why do you have 800mhz memory on a 667mhz memory supported board ?

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Originally posted by damnuok hey mate, that's exactly what im going to get! just wanted to know, what cooler do u have? im probably going to get a NOCTUA NH-U12F or a SCYTHE NINJA PLUS REV. B, but I'm not sure yet... any other suggestions? i want smth not that big, not that hot and not that noisy :P ohh, also, what soundcard do u have?

i have a scythe ninja rev b, it`s pretty good, don`t even have the fan mounted on it and it cools an e6850 very good, mine in an antec p182 case, around 30 degrees idle, and i gues not more then 55 stressed.

also have an emu 1820m, works pretty well, even on 24/192
the e6850 can handle a lot.

edit, mobo is a gigabyte 965p ds3, cheap but good.

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Originally posted by Massive84 439 euro for the Mobo ,cpu, and the ram.

newprices
e6750 164 euro
4gb geil ram, cas 44412 800mhz 178
mobo, ds3 80
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i would rebuild your pc for free if i could sell my secondhanded stuf for those prices.
but you have a different mobo probably, diff. mem.

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Originally posted by -_1_--Ben--_1_- why do you have 800mhz memory on a 667mhz memory supported board ?

wow, thats a good question i never realy thought about

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Originally posted by Massive84 Hmm so what does support Duo cores? As far as i can tell from your post. massive, zeta, vanguard?

i think it deppends if your host software supports multicore.

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Originally posted by -_1_--Ben--_1_- why do you have 800mhz memory on a 667mhz memory supported board ?

wow, thats a good question i never realy thought about

is it possible to increase the mhz by bios update?

don`t know, but isn`t bad if it works fine, in case you buy a new board someday you allready have 800mhz memory and it doesn`t cost much more then 667 memory.

I will check my mobo when i get home. But if i recall correctly i had the P5B from Asus which is 119 euros in a shop i just saw few minutes ago
Will check the ram brand as well.

As in why 800mhz? Because of the fronstside buss speed of the processor. The Exx50 series run @ 1333, while the Exx00 series run @ 1033. The advantage of this is that the cpu works faster with the memory. Disadvantage is you need more expensive memory to overclock it.

This makes the Exx00 series easy overclockable with 667mhz ram, while the Exx50 needs 800mhz or higher

The E6600 running @ 2.4, can be easy overclocked with normal cooling to 3 gighz with 667mhz.
While mine The E6750 running @ 2.6 needs 800mhz ram is currently clocked @ 2.96.

This gives it the same speed as E6850 and cheaper price which was
my intention to get . I got it clocked with just a normal cooler , so nothing special

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i would rebuild your pc for free if i could sell my secondhanded stuf for those prices.
but you have a different mobo probably, diff. mem.
As far i read the the E6750 seems to be a good overclocker. Currently the world record is 5.12 gighz
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I am not sure what you mean with this ben

i just thought maybe someone ripped you off for those prices, but didn`t know all your hardware, mem and mobo, so that`s all.
p5b deluxe is more expensive then ds3 so the price you`ve paid may be not to bad.

Dont think i got ripped off. The dude took 90 mins to rebuild the pc haha. he expected 15 mins.

But i have Aerocool tower and my old AMD had a big ass Artic ORB II cooler and it was a pain to get everything out and then inside. In the end he said next time he charges people more for rebuilding.

Wish i could see which brand of Ram i have. But i think i have a decent one. At least when i called him he told me he didn't have 800mhz cheap ram left.

As far as i know this PC runs very smooth

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