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Originally posted by RJT This topic is as tired as Sean Tyas.

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Originally posted by TheKidsWantTechno what i AM sick of is advertising that a dj is going to perform "live," but all they end up doing is use ableton. for me, a live set has to significantly incorporate somthing other than cds, vinyls, or a computer - be it vocals, instruments, synthesizers, drum machines, effects boards, whatev - more than just an ableton controller. maybe im just old school, but i think instead of having a [Live] by their name on a flyer, it should say [Ableton]

"Live" refers to "live MIXING"...

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Originally posted by woscar99 "Live" refers to "live MIXING"...

I bet it does.

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Originally posted by RJT I bet it does.

Well, the guy who started the thread seemed to have another concept. I reckon, it makes a lot o sense, but nevertheless that's what a DJ does live: mix.

On the other hand, what I do find ridiculous is the "Tiesto in Concert" deal...

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Originally posted by woscar99 Well, the guy who started the thread seemed to have another concept. I reckon, it makes a lot o sense, but nevertheless that's what a DJ does live: mix.

Yes but when it's already well established norm that someone being billed as performing "live" is specifically not just DJ'ing, then it's a load of horse shit to just get up there and mix records like any other DJ would.

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Originally posted by RJT Yes but when it's already well established norm that someone being billed as performing "live" is specifically not just DJ'ing, then it's a load of horse shit to just get up there and mix records like any other DJ would.

lol kind of like Martin Buttrich's set @ Bed this past WMC. What a load of shit...all I saw was a laptop.

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Originally posted by RJT Yes but when it's already well established norm that someone being billed as performing "live" is specifically not just DJ'ing, then it's a load of horse shit to just get up there and mix records like any other DJ would.

When a rock band, let's say Linkin Park gives a concert they are performing live. When a solo artist/vocalist, let's say John Mayer gives a concert, and plays guitar, sings on stage he in fact is performing live. Then why the hell, when a DJ, who's "art" is mixing songs into one another, gets behind a booth and does this on the go without having any pre-recorded transitions isn't performing live?

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell reality: yes you can! the beat detection in the pioneer cdj1000s is so good that all you have to do is move the pitch slider up just enough to change it to the next bpm and do the same with the other deck and boom instantly synced tempo (and the more precise the decimal the better i.e. +8,+10,+16). as long as you are playing direct from the master mp3s (beatport etc) it will sync up perfectly 98% of the time. vinyl rips dont work though.

explain. because i dont get it, but from my experience you cant.


honestly i didnt like ableton about a year ago, but 6 months ago, i changed and now i like it.

I have absolutely no problem what so ever with ppl who use Abelton, i myself will never use it though because it just dosent feel right to me. I would feel weird just looking at a laptop/computer when im djing, i like to play with all the buttons and faders and stuff on the mixer lol

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Originally posted by woscar99 When a rock band, let's say Linkin Park gives a concert they are performing live. When a solo artist/vocalist, let's say John Mayer gives a concert, and plays guitar, sings on stage he in fact is performing live. Then why the hell, when a DJ, who's "art" is mixing songs into one another, gets behind a booth and does this on the go without having any pre-recorded transitions isn't performing live?

Because while that's accurate in a semantic sense (the DJ is indeed doing something "live"), it's completely inaccurate when you look at how shows are actually billed, and will in general serve only to invite criticism.

DJ's can bill themselves as performing "live" all they want - but it isn't going to change the fact that people are going to expect far more than just DJ set from them, and will inevitably just be let down when they see just yet another chucklehead spinning records.

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Originally posted by chris harrington I have absolutely no problem what so ever with ppl who use Abelton, i myself will never use it though because it just dosent feel right to me. I would feel weird just looking at a laptop/computer when im djing, i like to play with all the buttons and faders and stuff on the mixer lol

You can still do if you hook-up an analog mixer to your laptop

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Originally posted by woscar99 You can still do if you hook-up an analog mixer to your laptop

yep i know, still i wont be able to play with the cdjs and TT's lol

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Originally posted by iammesol J00F said on his latest Electronic Grooves "I didn't cheat and use Ableton Live or anything like that, used good old Pioneer CDJ decks."

John 00 Fleming is a fucking clown, and the more people that come to realise this the better.

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Originally posted by RJT Because while that's accurate in a semantic sense (the DJ is indeed doing something "live"), it's completely inaccurate when you look at how shows are actually billed, and will in general serve only to invite criticism. DJ's can bill themselves as performing "live" all they want - but it isn't going to change the fact that people are going to expect far more than just DJ set from them, and will inevitably just be let down when they see just yet another chucklehead spinning records.

Probably, but I've never had that problem here...for example when a DJ plays it is generally billed as a DJ set, for example "Hernan Cattaneo (DJ Set)" and when an actual live PA plays it's billed as "Infected Mushroom (Live Act)".

If you think about it, it's the promoter's fault not the performer's...

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Originally posted by nchs09 explain. because i dont get it, but from my experience you cant. honestly i didnt like ableton about a year ago, but 6 months ago, i changed and now i like it.

i already did, what do you not understand? maybe try it yourself?

it amazes me to no end that this is not well known.

i currently can not since one of my cdjs is broken. maybe i could not achieve this because one of my cdjs is an 800mk2 and the other one is a 1000mk3?

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Originally posted by nchs09 i currently can not since one of my cdjs is broken. maybe i could not achieve this because one of my cdjs is an 800mk2 and the other one is a 1000mk3?

maybe you were playing vinyl rips, vinyl rips dont work because the tempo tends to wiggle since the motors on turntables arent as exact as cdjs.

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Originally posted by woscar99 When a rock band, let's say Linkin Park gives a concert they are performing live. When a solo artist/vocalist, let's say John Mayer gives a concert, and plays guitar, sings on stage he in fact is performing live. Then why the hell, when a DJ, who's "art" is mixing songs into one another, gets behind a booth and does this on the go without having any pre-recorded transitions isn't performing live?

Because it's been for ages, that acts that have been promoted as "live" are really performing live and not mixing live. If you go by your definition, then everyone flyers for festivals would have to be announced as live, that would be like

Armin van Buuren (live)
Sono (live)
Northern Lite (live)
Carl Cox (live)

whereas Sono and Northern Lite would be the only 2 to really perform live. I hope you do know what the definition of performing live is

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Originally posted by Nik Novo Because it's been for ages, that acts that have been promoted as "live" are really performing live and not mixing live. If you go by your definition, then everyone flyers for festivals would have to be announced as live, that would be like Armin van Buuren (live) Sono (live) Northern Lite (live) Carl Cox (live) whereas Sono and Northern Lite would be the only 2 to really perform live. I hope you do know what the definition of performing live is

Again, that would be the promoter's fault, not the artist's/DJ's

Live means that the sound is being generated or significantly manipulated on the spot in some way, whether with synths, computers, or "real" instruments.

I.e. not just tracks played back with the tempo tweaked a little and the highs / lows / mids adjusted. A DJ with turntables or CDJs is not "live."

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell maybe you were playing vinyl rips, vinyl rips dont work because the tempo tends to wiggle since the motors on turntables arent as exact as cdjs.

no, i buy all my stuff from beatport. honestly the only time i had an easy time matching tracks (easier than normally, because matching is not exactly rocket science) it was peter pestra tracks becasue they all have the same tempo.

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Originally posted by woscar99 Again, that would be the promoter's fault, not the artist's/DJ's

well, you get the point, you are just talking technicalities.

Solution: Stop seeing DJ's who suck at Ableton, like Gabriel & Dresden.

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Originally posted by Clovis Solution: Stop seeing DJ's who suck at Ableton, like Gabriel & Dresden.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell myth: Ableton mixes for you reality: Ableton beatmatches for you, you still have to do all of your own fading and eqing etc...everything and anything a dj using decks would do, but you CAN do more because in theory you have an infinite number of decks and god knows how much more cooler effects and techniques. its up to the user to elaborate and use ableton to his advantage. myth: you cant cheat with CDJs reality: yes you can! the beat detection in the pioneer cdj1000s is so good that all you have to do is move the pitch slider up just enough to change it to the next bpm and do the same with the other deck and boom instantly synced tempo (and the more precise the decimal the better i.e. +8,+10,+16). as long as you are playing direct from the master mp3s (beatport etc) it will sync up perfectly 98% of the time. vinyl rips dont work though. in summation, ableton and cdjs are at the same level of "cheatability" if you ask me.

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It's the ignorance of people who don't realize what has been said above that pisses me off to no extent. Thanks Blake so much for speaking your mind.

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Originally posted by Clovis Solution: Stop seeing DJ's who suck at Ableton, like Gabriel & Dresden.

Aren't we talking about live performances here and not DJ's?

I can think of only one live performer who is entirely Ableton based who is not atrocious.

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