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Originally posted by atbell I'm completely shocked that he thinks there is some kind of beauty in martyrdom, that it's a wothy art form. I mean what a back wards way of thinking. Who would ever do something like that?

Wasn't Jesus executed?

I think the standard line is that he died for our sins, maybe something like "god gave up his only begoten son".

It may not be quite the same but I think the implication is pretty strong.

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Originally posted by Krypton Wasn't Jesus executed?

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Originally posted by atbell I think the standard line is that he died for our sins, maybe something like "god gave up his only begoten son". It may not be quite the same but I think the implication is pretty strong.

As Krypton mentioned, Jesus was sentenced to death.
He didnt blow himself up and killed others in the process.

I seriously doubt those Iranian youths all suffer from suicidal tendancies. They're simply programmed to "self detonate" and kill others in the process in the name of their country and religion.
Totally different from the ways of Christ wouldn't you say?

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Originally posted by CHRles I seriously doubt those Iranian youths all suffer from suicidal tendancies. They're simply programmed to "self detonate" and kill others in the process in the name of their country and religion. Totally different from the ways of Christ wouldn't you say?

You can shove your christ up your ass first of all.

Second,You think the Iranian youths are a bunch of brainless sheeps waiting to go blow themselves up? Sorry kid but they are not American sheeps like yourself.They have a mind of their own and access to sorts of informations.They dont need their government to tell them what to do.They can decide on their own.

When it comes to defending your country you will do whatever it takes.You wouldnt know that tho since you have never been involved in any war.So stfu and dont compare life in Nashville to the real world.

First of all I'm non religious so feel free to shove Jehovah, Jesus, Mohammad, and Budha all up your butt anytime. I hear it goes great with your ghey buttsecks.

Second, I know that I wouldn't send my kids to fight a war for me. I know that I wouldn't encourage them to strap bombs on themselves.

We do have troubled youth in this country, as evidenced by events in high schools in Colorado and Arkansas, and on college campuses in places like Virginia.
The difference is the United States CONDONES such actions. It tries very hard to prevent such things from developing.

The opposite is appearantly true in countries like Iran where they teach you that its okay to "blow up", and I don't mean on drugs.
So I think the Iranian youths are highly influenced by what their adults tell them, and what is validated by their leaders.

What access and information is it that you speak of that these Iranian youths can tap into?

PS I didnt realize Nashville was a virtual place. I thought it was in the real world! Regardless, I just know for a fact that I'd take it any day over living in a place like Tehran. Appearantly the Iranians who live here feel the same way.
In fact, I don't know of anyone from Nashville that plans to move to Iran anytime soon...

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Originally posted by CHRles The opposite is appearantly true in countries like Iran where they teach you that its okay to "blow up", and I don't mean on drugs. So I think the Iranian youths are highly influenced by what their adults tell them, and what is validated by their leaders.

oh please. don't think for a second the US is ANY different. the US government uses hollywood films to encourage enlisting in the military ffs.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh please. don't think for a second the US is ANY different. the US government uses hollywood films to encourage enlisting in the military ffs.

Joining the army is vastly different. Come on, a little perspective please.

What like Australia doesn't have an army? Unless you live in Switzerland chances are you live in a country where there's some type of army.

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Originally posted by CHRles Joining the army is vastly different. Come on, a little perspective please.

is it? define the difference for me.

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What like Australia doesn't have an army? Unless you live in Switzerland chances are you live in a country where there's some type of army.

my comments dont relate to the army. they related to how the government manipulates the populace to use them for their ideological ends- like my example with hollywood and the dept of defence.

The US army doesn't recruit 12 year old boys and then tells them to blow themselves up.

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Originally posted by CHRles The US army doesn't recruit 12 year old boys and then tells them to blow themselves up.

no, they just kill 12 yo boys, and rape the 12 yo girls.

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Originally posted by CHRles [quote]Second, I know that I wouldn't send my kids to fight a war for me. I know that I wouldn't encourage them to strap bombs on themselves.

you have never been a war situation so dont pretend like you ll know what to do.

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We do have troubled youth in this country, as evidenced by events in high schools in Colorado and Arkansas, and on college campuses in places like Virginia. The difference is the United States CONDONES such actions. It tries very hard to prevent such things from developing.

Really?whats up with all this violents in your country?the gnag problem in the U.S is far more worst then anything else.Your leaders are choosing to ingore the real problems and they are trying to fix other nations in the world.Too bad you dont see it that way.

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The opposite is appearantly true in countries like Iran where they teach you that its okay to "blow up", and I don't mean on drugs. So I think the Iranian youths are highly influenced by what their adults tell them, and what is validated by their leaders.

lol show me proof that they teach such bullshit in Iran.I lived in Iran when I was younger and not once any of my teachers told me to go blow myself up for anything.so you are clearly talkin shit out of your mouth once again.

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What access and information is it that you speak of that these Iranian youths can tap into?

lets me tell you something you yank,Iran is no Afghanisten or Iraq,they are alot modern then you think,everyone has a satelite dish in their houses with access to everywhere,and last time I checked everyone had internet in their houses.People dont live in a fuckin cage.

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Regardless, I just know for a fact that I'd take it any day over living in a place like Tehran. Appearantly the Iranians who live here feel the same way.

ya please stay in Nashville,we wouldnt want someone like you to go anywhere else.You have no respect for the world.Truly a waste of life.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Really?whats up with all this violents in your country?the gnag problem in the U.S is far more worst then anything else.Your leaders are choosing to ingore the real problems and they are trying to fix other nations in the world.Too bad you dont see it that way.

You're right I don't b/c that's somethhing for the local police and state to deal with. You need a strong mayor like Guiliani to make things happen. Gang problems are far worse though in other parts of the world, including places in Latin America or some of the poorer South-East Asian countries.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol show me proof that they teach such bullshit in Iran.I lived in Iran when I was younger and not once any of my teachers told me to go blow myself up for anything.so you are clearly talkin shit out of your mouth once again.

The president of Iran didn't deny this when Wallace asked him about it. Just b/c you weren't brainwashed doesn't mean other Iranians aren't. Also let me remind you that you're one of the more vocal anti-western supporters on this board.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lets me tell you something you yank,Iran is no Afghanisten or Iraq,they are alot modern then you think,everyone has a satelite dish in their houses with access to everywhere,and last time I checked everyone had internet in their houses.People dont live in a fuckin cage.

Everyone in Iran has a satellite dish? That's extraordinary. There are tens of millions of Americans who don't have cable/satellite yet everyone in Iran does. This despite the fact that America is far richer then Iran...
I also read earlier today on another thread in this very forum that the Iranian government has banned the use of high speed internet. You think the American government is going to follow suit?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ya please stay in Nashville,we wouldnt want someone like you to go anywhere else.You have no respect for the world.Truly a waste of life.

Two of my favorite cities in the world that I've been to are Amsterdam and Geneva. In Canada I would say Vancouver is my fave though Toronto is definitely kickin. Great big melting pot.
I'd like to travel to places like Australia, Japan, and Brazil, and maybe Dubai. However, I have no desire to go to Iran

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Originally posted by CHRles The difference is the United States CONDONES such actions. It tries very hard to prevent such things from developing.

Lol, talk about using the wrong word. I don't think "condones" is the word you're looking for there.


Furthermore, though you might have a point from time to time (even if I don't always agree with it), each time you purposely mispell Ahmadenijad's name, I lose total respect for your argument. It's one thing to tear him down through reason and logical discourse, but completely another thing to resort to immature ad hominems. In fact, calling anyone who disagrees with you a terrorist is about the surest way to convince everyone that you are yourself quite nutty.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Lol, talk about using the wrong word. I don't think "condones" is the word you're looking for there. Furthermore, though you might have a point from time to time (even if I don't always agree with it), each time you purposely mispell Ahmadenijad's name, I lose total respect for your argument. It's one thing to tear him down through reason and logical discourse, but completely another thing to resort to immature ad hominems. In fact, calling anyone who disagrees with you a terrorist is about the surest way to convince everyone that you are yourself quite nutty.

Oh well, I guess that means you're not a big fan of John Stewart and the Colbert Report. They laugh at Ahmedanicrap's name all the time.

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Originally posted by CHRles Oh well, I guess that means you're not a big fan of John Stewart and the Colbert Report. They laugh at Ahmedanicrap's name all the time.

They do it to be funny, you do it as part and parcel of your argument. A big difference.

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Originally posted by CHRles You're right I don't b/c that's somethhing for the local police and state to deal with. You need a strong mayor like Guiliani to make things happen. Gang problems are far worse though in other parts of the world, including places in Latin America or some of the poorer South-East Asian countries.

lol Guiliani is a brainsless republican sheep.How did he fix the probelms exactly?be dressing like a woman over and over again? lol

Gang problems are happening in your backyard,open your eyes.
your current government is incapable of handling any sort of national crisis and their pwn problems soWhy the fuck are they trying to fix the worlds problems?

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The president of Iran didn't deny this when Wallace asked him about it. Just b/c you weren't brainwashed doesn't mean other Iranians aren't. Also let me remind you that you're one of the more vocal anti-western supporters on this board.

ya so based on your logic almost everyone is Iran is brainwashed one way or another then right?.not everyone in this world is like you American sheeps.

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Everyone in Iran has a satellite dish? That's extraordinary. There are tens of millions of Americans who don't have cable/satellite yet everyone in Iran does. This despite the fact that America is far richer then Iran...

you havent been to Iran,I have and almost everyone I know has access to satelites.ya dipshit people have tvs's and computers too.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov They do it to be funny, you do it as part and parcel of your argument. A big difference.

Sure it is, if you say so.

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Originally posted by CHRles Sure it is, if you say so.

If I make a joke about communism, it's funny, but if I go around calling people communists just because I disagree with them, it's just me being an idiot.

And if I mispell something for comedic effect, it's funny, but if I mispell something to show my disdain for it in an intellectual setting, I appear anything but intellectual.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol Guiliani is a brainsless republican sheep.How did he fix the probelms exactly?be dressing like a woman over and over again? lol

Wow, just wow man. You never cease to amaze me. You know next to nothing I see about America's cities. Maybe you should ask New Yorkers about how safe their town was before Rudi compared with when Rudi was the mayor. He made the streets safer, a lot safer.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Gang problems are happening in your backyard,open your eyes. your current government is incapable of handling any sort of national crisis and their pwn problems soWhy the fuck are they trying to fix the worlds problems?

The world constanly begs for America's money. Whether it's to help a failing economy, or to have Americans purchase their products. Nobody has a bigger spending power then the American public.
America also has a tendancy to fix world problems when other countries seek America's assistance, which happens a LOT, or when certain countries try to fuck with America.

As for gangs, like I said the situation in America is a lot better then in a lot of other countries.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ya so based on your logic almost everyone is Iran is brainwashed one way or another then right?.not everyone in this world is like you American sheeps.

Yes, all us Americans we all are sheep, and everyone in Iran is a well rounded independt thinker. Got it!

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Originally posted by CHRles Wow, just wow man. You never cease to amaze me. You know next to nothing I see about America's cities. Maybe you should ask New Yorkers about how safe their town was before Rudi compared with when Rudi was the mayor. He made the streets safer, a lot safer.

Well, real New Yorkers love Bloomsburg. But definitely not Giuliani. My roomate is from Manhattan, and he confirms. Anecdotal evidence maybe, but Giuliani's poll numbers in NYC are less than impressive.

Bloomberg is great too, but when Rudi was mayor he's the one who really pushed for the change. He's the one that helped transform massive parts of Manahattan and Brooklyn into safer neighborhoods. Up until Rudi the population of NYC was constantly decreasing. It went down from nearly 8 million in the 70s to about 7 million in the early 90s. Now the population of the 5 boroughs of NYC is 8.2 million, its highest figure ever. So appearantly a lot of people would rather live in the city then live in the suburbs.
The population of the city of L.A. hasn't grown nearly as fast or as much, even though L.A.'s size is actually far bigger. Most people who move to southern California move to the suburbs.
Or what about where you currently live? In DC. The population of the city is finally starting to grow again, but nowhere nearly as fast as the suburbs. DC's city population peaked at nearly 900,000 in the 50s. Now its down to less then 600,000. Meanwhile metro DC has about 5 million residents. Combine it with Baltimore and you've got over 8 million people in the area. Baltimore, by the way, is a city where the population continues to drop (peaked at close to a million, now with a little over 600,000)
If we really wish to study unsafe cities that have led to severe white flight we can always refer to Detroit. At one time the city had 1.8 million residents (the 1950s). Now? about 850,000 people.

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Originally posted by CHRles The US army doesn't recruit 12 year old boys and then tells them to blow themselves up.

No .. the US just hires anti-democratic death squads to kill innocent 12 boys who take arms to defend their villages

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Originally posted by CHRles Wow, just wow man. You never cease to amaze me. You know next to nothing I see about America's cities. Maybe you should ask New Yorkers about how safe their town was before Rudi compared with when Rudi was the mayor. He made the streets safer, a lot safer.

wow, just wow. you call yourself a "lefty" then throw support behind guiliani and include some nice fallacies as well?

rudi didnt make anything safer with his zero tolerance approaches, he merely shifted crime (and the disadvantaged) from one place to another.

Rudi made the streets of NYC safer by increasing the size of the police force, and giving them the tools and autonomy to do their jobs.
He is the same guy who also helped to bring down the mob in NYC back in the 80s.

He has a long track record of helping to make NYC, New York State, and America in general a better place.

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