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-- Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th)
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| Originally posted by cenik so, when legislative changes are made in order to toughen up the laws--whereby such alterations almost always involve increasing the time an individual may serve for having transgressed the statute in question--the intent is to deter would-be criminals from engaging in similar behaviour via the state's display of the fact that punitive incapacitation will result for anybody who chooses to offend. |
probably Conservative depending on my riding's candidate..
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard AJ, ideologically... conservativism is an ideology seeking progressive change at a moderated pace. The Conservative/Progressive Conservative parties in this country are not actually conservative parties... they are liberal parties (liberalism seeks a minimal role for government and laise fair economy). The Liberal party is a conservative party (ideologically). |
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| Originally posted by Abercrombie So the liberals are conservative and the conservatives are liberal. go figure. |
Haha, that's pretty funny.
The PC (and CPC) are fiscal liberals and social conservatives. Actually, I'd say that the PC are social moderates, although CPC is a bit right of center.
The Liberal party is fiscally liberal - the fed Libs are fairly moderate fiscally (if you don't count advertising kickbacks as "spending"), and McGuinty Libs are pure tax-and-spend. And both are a fair bit left of center in social policy.
Say the word "Liberal" to any European and they'll think: lower taxes, more liberties, free speech, etc. The PC and CPC are the closest parties in Ontario/Canada to this original meaning of "liberal", although obviously not perfect.
Nevertheless, in North America it is conventional to use the terms liberal and conservative to describe left- and right-wing ideologies, respectively. I realize this is backwards, but it only confuses people if you reject those definitions and use the classical ones.
Too bad they're not running candidates in all ridings...
http://www.freedomparty.on.ca/
http://www.freedomparty.on.ca/platform.pdf
We need a true right wing party to run!
green party has the best platform, they deserve to win, too bad they wont win and are neglected in so many ways, ex being debates which is wrong. liberals are fucking idiots....enough said their. so i guess aslong as PC or NDP wins, ill be happy.
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| Originally posted by AustralianGQ green party has the best platform, they deserve to win, too bad they wont win and are neglected in so many ways, ex being debates which is wrong. liberals are fucking idiots....enough said their. so i guess aslong as PC or NDP wins, ill be happy. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard No, the Liberals are conservative and the Conservatives are liberal. See the difference. Of course the NDP are pinko commie bastards (but not as pinko-commie as the Marxist-Leninists... who are actually more idealistic hippies that need to take a shower and get a job then anything else). |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Haha, that's pretty funny. The PC (and CPC) are fiscal liberals and social conservatives. Actually, I'd say that the PC are social moderates, although CPC is a bit right of center. The Liberal party is fiscally liberal - the fed Libs are fairly moderate fiscally (if you don't count advertising kickbacks as "spending"), and McGuinty Libs are pure tax-and-spend. And both are a fair bit left of center in social policy. Say the word "Liberal" to any European and they'll think: lower taxes, more liberties, free speech, etc. The PC and CPC are the closest parties in Ontario/Canada to this original meaning of "liberal", although obviously not perfect. Nevertheless, in North America it is conventional to use the terms liberal and conservative to describe left- and right-wing ideologies, respectively. I realize this is backwards, but it only confuses people if you reject those definitions and use the classical ones. |
Picked Liberal. Only because the Federal Goverment is Conservative.
Ontario does better when the Federal Party is different from the Provincial party..
There's actually a sign up one one of the streets near here for a Freedom Party candidate. At first I thought it was a PC sign, they look almost the same.
Anyway, this province has been steadily swirling down the shitter over the past two terms, and I don't think we can afford the luxury of voting for a fringe party, even if they seem to have good ideas. It's not just about the platform, either; from what I've seen of the FP candidates so far, they just aren't very good at campaigning, and I don't believe that they would have enough experience to get anything done even if they did win a vote.
8 years ago I might have had some fun and voted for the FP. Sadly, these days we're forced into bloc voting if we want to see any real results.
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Nevertheless, in North America it is conventional to use the terms liberal and conservative to describe left- and right-wing ideologies, respectively. I realize this is backwards, but it only confuses people if you reject those definitions and use the classical ones. |
Most of the people in my area are voting Conservative... tired of McGuinty's "let's promise a lot and do nothing" policies. Not to mention most of them are students, and after the lovely fee increase McGuinty threw out, none of the students i know want to vote for him again.
(Besides, our candidate's name is John Tory lol... how can you not vote for the man with a name like that!!)
I... once again... have a chance to vote for this attention whore;
anyone else see a pattern?
Just as with Harper's CPC, people voted Conservative not so much because they loved Harper and/or the CPC...but because of a backlash against the Liberals.
Do people love John Tory or the provincial Conservatives? maybe they don't dislike them, but I see their support more as a backlash against McGuinty then I see it as a ringing endorsement of the provincial Conservative party.
it's somewhat sad when people have to vote against someone (McGuinty) rather than for someone.
well i would vote conservative anyways, not because i don't like mcguinty but because i'm more conservative inclined than liberal. i don't agree with everything the tories do or want but i do agree with more of their ideas than the libs or ndp.
i think most people are just tired of the promises the liberal govt made and didn't keep so they are turning to another party hoping this one might actually stick to something. i really don't blame them.
^^^ I should clarrify...I don't blame people for that either. It's a valid reason for making their choice.
my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils.
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| Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I should clarrify...I don't blame people for that either. It's a valid reason for making their choice. my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils. |
. I agree with you though, it is quite sad to see it come to that.
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| Originally posted by loca My bad, i didn't understand what you meant, sorry . I agree with you though, it is quite sad to see it come to that. |
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| Originally posted by MarkT my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils. |
Obviously voting Conservative.
What the Liberals have done:
1) Broke their promise not to raise taxes by giving us the largest tax increase in Ontario history. Taxes revenues in Ontario have increased 30% in 4 years. Three times the rate of inflation. Oh yeah, and the health tax came into effect the same day that chiropratic procedures and eye exams were delisted!
2) City of Toronto Act. You can thank Mcguinty for the tax grabs that are about to happen at city hall. Not to mention the new taxes that city hall hasnt put forth yet. Oh yeah, and the sidewalk tax...Thanks Dalton! You're the best!
3) Caledonia: Who in their right mind would let 100s of people continuously break the law? Mcguinty thats who! Not only that, but he bought the land in dispute on top of everything! But hey, whats taxpayer money when youve just given ontarians that nifty health tax right?
4) Electricity Rates: He promised not to raise them, and he did the VERY NEXT DAY AFTER HE WAS ELECTED... need i say more?
5) Funding Scandal: $1 million to a cricket organization who didnt even ask for the money? Amongst others? Talk about dirty corruption! Why has everyone already forgotten about Ontario's Adscam?
6) Smoking Laws: A promise he actually did keep. I used to make a good living off the nightlife industry until this passed. Now there are fewer nights during the week that clubs are open, fewer special events, and less money going around. The good part at least is that it forced me to open a new business for myself.
What The Conservatives are promising:
Funding for religious schools: BAD IDEA... seriously it is... But I also believe that Catholic boards should cease to exist as well. Too bad about that pesky BNA act. Considering there are 650,000 kids in Catholic schools and this will apparently only add funding to 50,000 kids, im not that worried about it. What id like to see though is a change in the consitution so we can put an end to this nonsense. Harper, you listening?
Eliminating the Health Tax: We have a surplus which means they are overtaxing us. This health tax needs to go NOW!
Funding for Austistic Kids: I know a couple of them that are neglected past age 6. They definately need the $75 million Tory is promising.
Reduction in Business Taxes: Who employs Ontario? Mostly small and medium sized business. Give them a break and they will employ more. With the parity dollar, our inefficiency and over taxation is glaring. We need to compete with low taxation if we want to retain jobs and working capital in Canada. If you disagree, i suggest researching who Ireland became Europe's silicon valley.
Yes, The conservative platform isnt perfect... but i trust John Tory and i agree with a lot of what he has to say. Furthermore, Dalton's record speaks for itself. I almost choked on my breakfast the other morning when i read in the paper that Dalton promised yet again that "he wont raise taxes"
Oh and as for Mixed Member Proportional voting.... great idea if you want us to be one step closer to a maoist style parliament where the chairman decides who serves as representatives. NO THANKS! The voting system does need to change... BUT NOT LIKE THIS.
lol nice.. what bout the NDP platform?
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