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Posted by cmay119 on Sep-26-2007 06:05:

If the tracks are the exact same pitch it can take less than 3 seconds for me to que up the track and sync the beats (I use TT's so I usually miss the beat by a little bit when I drop the incoming track in, so it requires a tiny amount of time to speed or slow the incoming track to sync the beats).

If they are within 2 or 3 BPM of each other it can takeu upto 10 seconds to get the tracks from unsynced to in sync and matched.

4+ BPM difference is when things get a little longer to get matched and in sync with on another. Probably no longer than 15 seconds to get it locked however. I rarely match up tracks that are outside of the 4% pitch range of one another so usually I'm sticking with music that stays around the same relative BPM.


Posted by Allayla on Sep-26-2007 08:15:

five billion hours


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-26-2007 10:14:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
btw i dont know how you guys can get it perfect in 30 seconds. sometimes it takes 15 seconds before my track starts drifting..... i mean cdj's are that precise, so just waiting for that its 30 seconds.. that would be 45 seconds or 50.


When you get good, you don't need to listen for 30 seconds to see if they drift, you just know.

Your ears are that precise that you can hear within a second that it's either wrong or right, just like when you listen to a really poor quality mp3 and go "hang on...that's not right" within a few seconds.

I was like that for a few months when I was playing heavily, but now I've gone back to having to listen for a while; wish I could get back to where I was.


Posted by wwu.punisher on Sep-26-2007 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by SPAWNmaster
10 or less for me. Beatmatching is such a joke.


I want to be awesome like you when I grow up!

I voted 10-20 seconds because I take, on average, right around 20 seconds to line up two tracks. I spin electrohouse, progressive, and the occasional deep house set.

Anyone who says that they can line up and have it sounding perfect in less than 10 seconds has either been on the cover of DJMag or they're full of shit.


Posted by Hasneez on Sep-26-2007 19:38:

quote:
Originally posted by wwu.punisher

Anyone who says that they can line up and have it sounding perfect in less than 10 seconds has either been on the cover of DJMag or they're full of shit.



Posted by Stu Cox on Sep-26-2007 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by wwu.punisher
Anyone who says that they can line up and have it sounding perfect in less than 10 seconds has either been on the cover of DJMag or they're full of shit.

I disagree. I know quite a few people who can get it pretty much perfect in 10 seconds. I'm not one of those, but I can usually get it near enough in that time to throw straight in and ride the pitch from there on out

And being able to mix quickly doesn't make you a good DJ in the slightest, so the cover of DJMag comment is just silly


Posted by Boomer187 on Sep-26-2007 19:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Invasionmix
what's the point of being able to beatmatch that fast anyways and not having it spot on, you're not gonna be switching over that fast anyways, I rather take 20-30 seconds and make sure it's perfectly beatmatched.



its been scientifically proven that the faster you beatmatch, the larger your penis.


Posted by I_Am_Vince on Sep-26-2007 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
its been scientifically proven that the faster you beatmatch, the larger your penis.


lol I wish!! from the point I a CD in my CDJ I can get it perfectly linked in like 7 seconds, true story.


Posted by Inertia on Sep-27-2007 00:28:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
btw i dont know how you guys can get it perfect in 30 seconds. sometimes it takes 15 seconds before my track starts drifting..... i mean cdj's are that precise, so just waiting for that its 30 seconds.. that would be 45 seconds or 50.


i agree. with only 30 seconds of anticipation i can surely smooth bend my way through a long mix, but i'd much rather spend 20-30 seconds matching it, then a minute or two listening to both tracks in my phones to make sure they are DEAD on.


Posted by ThatsMagic on Sep-27-2007 00:58:

6.28513 secs


Posted by nchs09 on Sep-27-2007 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Beat Blog
When you get good, you don't need to listen for 30 seconds to see if they drift, you just know.

Your ears are that precise that you can hear within a second that it's either wrong or right, just like when you listen to a really poor quality mp3 and go "hang on...that's not right" within a few seconds.
what?


Posted by aLviNx80 on Sep-27-2007 02:09:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
what?



It makes sense to me


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-27-2007 02:48:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
what?


I don't know how how to explain it any more clearly.

When you get good at beat matching, you don't need to listen for an extended period of time to detect if they drift, you know straight away.

Your ears can differentiate between the two overlaid tracks, rather than just hearing a jumble of noise, and then hear if one is faster or slower within a second or so.


Posted by spolitta on Sep-27-2007 13:39:

How about for the rest of us who do it in zero second? Your pool sucks


Posted by DJ Skyraper on Sep-27-2007 15:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Hasneez


Posted by I_Am_Vince on Sep-27-2007 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by spolitta
How about for the rest of us who do it in zero second? Your pool sucks


wow you're as good as Tiesto!!


Posted by HotDogWater on Sep-28-2007 00:35:

quote:
Originally posted by starboy
five billion hours

better hurry up and practice before next weekend then


Posted by nchs09 on Sep-28-2007 04:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Beat Blog
I don't know how how to explain it any more clearly.

When you get good at beat matching, you don't need to listen for an extended period of time to detect if they drift, you know straight away.

Your ears can differentiate between the two overlaid tracks, rather than just hearing a jumble of noise, and then hear if one is faster or slower within a second or so.
yes, what i am saying is that the track IS beatmatched... and after 15 seconds it drifts a bit. how can you tell it is drifting when it is not drifting magic?


Posted by Saint John on Sep-28-2007 04:26:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
yes, what i am saying is that the track IS beatmatched... and after 15 seconds it drifts a bit. how can you tell it is drifting when it is not drifting magic?
WTF that last part confuses me ever so


Posted by JD8180 on Sep-28-2007 05:10:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
yes, what i am saying is that the track IS beatmatched... and after 15 seconds it drifts a bit. how can you tell it is drifting when it is not drifting magic?


i would say i'm still at the 20-30 sec range... but my guess to that answer would be that you can start hearing when a song is not beat matched by the tiniest of a fraction. then you can notice it's off within just a couple seconds.

i mean if a song isn't beatmatched in the sense that it starts drifting after 15 sec, then it was never beatmatched to begin with. it's not like the tracks were in perfect time then suddenly after 15 seconds it falls out of place. after 15 seconds maybe it's more noticeable, but i guess the more experience you are the sooner you can notice. tried explaining it the best as i am on like 10 hours of sleep for the entire week


Posted by Boomer187 on Sep-28-2007 05:32:

i tried keeping track as I did a one hour set tonight, and most mixes were set under 10 seconds. Some took longer, and one I never got.

I guess it pays to be good at correcting


Posted by Saint John on Sep-28-2007 05:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
i tried keeping track as I did a one hour set tonight, and most mixes were set under 10 seconds. Some took longer, and one I never got.

I guess it pays to be good at correcting
sometimes when im feeling really lazy i dont even beatmatch and it still sounds fine..but thats only on a day where im just lazy or its been really long


Posted by wwu.punisher on Sep-28-2007 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
I disagree. I know quite a few people who can get it pretty much perfect in 10 seconds. I'm not one of those, but I can usually get it near enough in that time to throw straight in and ride the pitch from there on out

And being able to mix quickly doesn't make you a good DJ in the slightest, so the cover of DJMag comment is just silly


I re-read my post and I think it came across wrong. I don't mean that there aren't a lot of people who can beatmatch in less than ten seconds - rather, I mean that there aren't a lot of people who can lay down a perfect match every time in less than ten seconds. I mean, sure, you can match up a few beats before it starts to drift... but I've yet to meet many DJs who can lock them in perfectly in ten seconds and have them stick for the full transition.

I guess it also depends on what genre you're spinning, though. Some are definitely easier to beatmatch than others.


Posted by nefardec on Sep-29-2007 00:33:

it can be anywhere from 10-20 seconds for me. I usually adjust the pitch visually anyways, just out of memory or custom, to where I think it will be before I even listen to a beat and get it close and then I only need to listen as long as I care to. I will just ride the pitch if it drifts a bit. Sometimes it takes much longer if I am matching up an ambient break or mixing in on a breakdown or doing some other crazy business.


I think the only time it takes more than 20 seconds is when I am drunk enough to have my hearing distorted but not so drunk to think that I am still doing it well


I'm sure if I wanted to beatmatch nearly every track in under 10 seconds I could, but what would be the fun in that? One of the best parts of deejaying is playing with it until it sounds nice, running tracks over eachother in headphones before the crowd can hear. It's so fucking exciting to do that. I am usually one to play 15 tracks in an hour and I still don't feel the need to rush it.


Posted by Sukhoi29SU on Sep-29-2007 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by DuBam
Me too, if the beat goes off after 15 secs, that's 0,20%, works 9 times out of 10


Nice. I'm constantly looking for this kind of stuff in order to improve. Any other tips?


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