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Posted by atbell on Oct-05-2007 02:29:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
I have a problem with the fact that Iran keeps talking about how it's going to hurt Israel if the US attacks Iran's nuclear facilities.
Not America itself, but rather another country...a country which the Iranian administration has already said it believes should be wiped off the map.
During the first Gulf War when the US attacked Sadam, he retaliated by sending Skad missiles over Israel. So if Iran threatens to do worse to Israel, these statements should be taken seriously.
So let's compare - the US is threatening to attack Iran's nuclear facilities while Iran threatens to attack indiscriminantly another country. Not Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, just Israel. Hmmmm....


If you attack anyone, person or state, they will fight back in what ever way they can.

What other threats does Iran have?

"If you attack us, we, the mighty Iranian people, will fart in your general direction."

I don't like it either but it is to be expected.

If you're concerned about the fact that the Iranian stance is to attack indescriminantly then we should give them the technology to be able to pin point only military facilities. If you're not willing to do that then you've got to accept that Iran is going to fight world war two stylz.


Posted by Krypton on Oct-05-2007 02:42:

If we go to war with Iran, they may be inferior militarily,but you will have Japanese style kamikazi and "fight to the last man" type of warfare. Where every yard will be fought for in the cities. Iran's population is 67 million and Iraq's is 27 million. The Iraqi Army was nothin compared to the manpower, morale, and quality of the Iranian military today. The grass roots of Iran would not be on our side, just as the grass roots of Iraq are not in support of occupation. They will be suicidal with their shi'ite ..

As you can read history..
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{{{Iran-Iraq War

Human wave attacks reappeared during the Iran-Iraq War. The Iranians, especially the Pasdaran and the Basij (People's Army) volunteers being the primary user of such tactics,[3] as it had both become less technologically advanced, (its ability to maintain openly its advanced equipment suffering from the arms embargo[4]) and had the less well-trained forces. Those military leaders of Iranian army who had not fled the country, or facing imprisonment and execution[5] after the 1979 revolution, were mistrusted by the new leadership.[6] and this led to a loss of tactical effectiveness and finesse, an inability to react to changing events without having to seek approval from the political leadership. In addition to the lack of military supplies and leadership, the US, the Europeans, the Soviets and the complete Arab world (except Syria and Libya) were financially, militarily and diplomatically assisting Iraq in one way or another.[7] Human wave attacks were utilized by Iranians at first as a last-ditch effort to check the Iraqi assault,[8] and as the war progressed as a means to match and overtake the increasing material strength of the Iraqi military. In some cases Iranian volunteers, many of them young teenagers, had very little military training.[9] The following is part of an account of these events as seen from a Western perspective.

....in July 1982 Iran launched Operation Ramadan on Iraqi territory, near Basra. Tehran used Pasdaran forces and Basij volunteers in one of the biggest land battles since 1945. Ranging in age from only nine to more than fifty, these eager but relatively untrained soldiers swept over minefields and fortifications to clear safe paths for the tanks. In doing so, the Iranians sustained an immense number of casualties, but they enabled Iran to recover some territory before the Iraqis could repulse the bulk of the invading forces....

....In 1983 Iran launched three major, but unsuccessful, humanwave offensives, with huge losses, along the frontier. On February 6, Tehran, using 200,000 "last reserve" Pasdaran troops, attacked along a 40-kilometer stretch near Al Amarah, about 200 kilometers southeast of Baghdad. Backed by air, armor, and artillery support, Iran's six-division thrust was strong enough to break through. In response, Baghdad used massive air attacks, with more than 200 sorties, many flown by attack helicopters. More than 6,000 Iranians were killed that day, while achieving only minute gains. In April 1983, the Mandali-Baghdad northcentral sector witnessed fierce fighting, as repeated Iranian attacks were stopped by Iraqi mechanized and infantry divisions. Casualties were very high, and by the end of 1983, an estimated 120,000 Iranians and 60,000 Iraqis had been killed. Despite these losses, in 1983 Iran held a distinct advantage in the attempt to wage and eventually to win the war of attrition..... [10]}}}


Posted by CHRles on Oct-05-2007 02:52:

You should be more concerned about what'll happen to the actual people of Iran. You see, if the Revolutionary Guards try to hit Israel too hard with some sort of chemical weapon, or some other way, the Israeli defense system may already be set up in a way that Israel will respond with nuclear bombs which could wipe out half the cities in Iran.
Sadam could havetargetted Israel with chemical warfare in the early 90s, but didnt. That's why Israel never responded to Iraq's skad missiles at the time.

Still don't think the arabs wont care?


Posted by Fir3start3r on Oct-05-2007 02:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
If we go to war with Iran, they may be inferior militarily,but you will have Japanese style kamikazi and "fight to the last man" type of warfare.


...mainly due to the fact that they had no air power or artillery in which to support their troops; not leaving much of an option if you're going to attack...

(they DID have some air force and artillery but very little).


Posted by Krypton on Oct-05-2007 03:18:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
You should be more concerned about what'll happen to the actual people of Iran. You see, if the Revolutionary Guards try to hit Israel too hard with some sort of chemical weapon, or some other way, the Israeli defense system may already be set up in a way that Israel will respond with nuclear bombs which could wipe out half the cities in Iran.
Sadam could havetargetted Israel with chemical warfare in the early 90s, but didnt. That's why Israel never responded to Iraq's skad missiles at the time.

Still don't think the arabs wont care?


You support nuclear bombing Iran don't you?


Posted by CHRles on Oct-05-2007 03:22:

I support America and Israel.
You support Iran. Let me know how that turns out for ya.


Posted by Krypton on Oct-05-2007 03:40:

I don't support Iran. Scratch your head and really ask yourself, "Did I really just say that?"..

I don't support ATTACKING Iran. Two different things. Think a little harder next time...


Posted by DJ Shibby on Oct-05-2007 04:10:

SCARY SCARY !!!


Posted by hardcore trancer on Oct-05-2007 05:04:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
I support America and Israel.



Whats exactly have they done to gain your support exactly?I guess you must be very happy knowing that your hard working money isdown wasted on Israel and the war in Iraq.


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